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I hardly think he's hiding it. He's just succeeded in creating a product so addictive that people are willing to sacrifice a lot in order to use it.
Indeed, he doesn't really hide it; as his famous quote goes, "They 'trust me'. Dumb fucks."
Facebook wants your children's mind
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Re: Facebook wants your children's mind
#52Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.
I personally use it quite a bit for keeping these relationships alive. I think Facebook is a great tool for that. I have contentious debates over ideas with people I know, but more importantly, with people a couple links away from me. It's been an extremely helpful bridge out of the filter bubble I'd probably otherwise inhabit. Of course, I'm not at all sure the benefits I've gotten have any resemblance to most peopl…
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It is a red flag to not have social media
I'd never hire someone who has a facebook account.
Sadly, programmers are an unrully bunch, and your employees surely find other ways to procrastinate and loose time on your dime, but at least they become more interesting human beings while doing so.
;)
Re: Facebook wants your children's mind
#54Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.
I find myself thinking about the effects of social media on humans. I feel we entered The Button Age. Want a pizza? Hit this button. Want to get groceries delivered? Want to watch a movie? Hit a button. Want to show you care about some cause or event? Hit a button. Want to reward your brain with dopamine and feed your narcissistic behaviors by pretending that viewing a curated timeline of people's "lives" is friendsh…
Re: Facebook wants your children's mind
#55From their point of view why wouldn't they, children become eyeballs, sorry adults with money to spend. I've given up expecting corporations to be nice, I haven't quite given up on expecting them to obey the law, the bits they haven't written themselves anyway.
You'd say it is illegal to steal, but if you expected even one out of ten neighbours to be a thief, just like you expect every corporation to be corrupt, there would be not enough police officers and courts to handle all the crime. Hell, if society had gone down to that, you'd have to worry more about being robbed by a cop than by some random neighbour!!!
Laws are minimal expectations of compliance to morals. Successful societies are those where a significant percentage of the population hold themselves (and their neighbours) to much higher standards. You are doing a profound disservice to yourself and your peers by giving a free pass to jerk corporations just because they seem (or pretend) to follow the letter of the law most of the time.
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#56From their point of view why wouldn't they, children become eyeballs, sorry adults with money to spend. I've given up expecting corporations to be nice, I haven't quite given up on expecting them to obey the law, the bits they haven't written themselves anyway.
The sole purpose of existence of a corporation is to make money, and it would be strange to expect them to be nice and not use every opportunity for profit. Thus, enforcing ethics is a consumer responsibility: if you believe that something is bad, don't use it.
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> Facebook makes fantastic communications tool and gives them away for a whopping $0. In exchange for your personal data (at levels not known by most people) > love staying aware of what's going on with my grandparents, old classmates, friends, and family, AND not having to directly pay money for this. As one becomes more dependant on it for communicating, they can do worse and worse things and it'll be harder and ha…
>> Facebook makes fantastic communications tool and gives them away for a whopping $0. In exchange for your personal data (at levels not known by most people) In the longer term you are not giving up your privacy but your freedom (assuming Facebook becomes dominant middleman for the information) with who you communicate and about what topic.
Re: Facebook wants your children's mind
#58Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.
I personally use it quite a bit for keeping these relationships alive. I think Facebook is a great tool for that. I have contentious debates over ideas with people I know, but more importantly, with people a couple links away from me. It's been an extremely helpful bridge out of the filter bubble I'd probably otherwise inhabit. Of course, I'm not at all sure the benefits I've gotten have any resemblance to most peopl…
Re: Facebook wants your children's mind
#59Jeez I quit Facebook like 6 years ago and never looked back. What’s the real need here? Old buddies you barely know of? Let them go. Just drop FB, it’s not that important, and 70% of people are clearly (by reading all the “I quit Facebook drama posts”) over attached to it.
I second this notion. It's amazing how, even on a technically literate forum like HN, the posters around here make the same arguments that they /need/ FB to stay connected. Im five years clean from FB and have never looked back. It is absolutely possible to maintain communication with friends and family without Mr Zuckerberg's spy system. I encourage those of you who think it's a necessity to please try to spend even…
I'll place extra emphasis on this, for those that are hesitant. Just give it a try for a few months, and if you want to go back that is always an option. Right in time for New Year's Resolutions: go "Facebook free" for a whole 30 days. If it's not for you, that's fine, re-install / re-activate and there wasn't much to lose. But you can't know the alternatives without trying!
I quit Facebook years back because I somehow just realized that it provided no value to me. Keeping in contact with my real friends was something that could either be done in person, by text message, email, etc. Then add on top of that a lot of content is just noise, rather than wholesome original thought. Original posts are down... more people are just re-sharing crap from large groups. IMO Facebook is just a glorified, yet heavily stripped down, email client that allows people you didn't directly message to be dragged in too.
I think people by-and-large see Facebook as something larger and more praise-worthy than it actually is. There is a lot of mainstream hype around the platform that is strange from someone like me on the outside (because I quit). Maybe it is mystical because it's a story of a college student becoming a billionaire so quickly, and it gives people the impression that if someone so young got so much money in such a short amount of time, then the platform must be that good.
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I personally use it quite a bit for keeping these relationships alive. I think Facebook is a great tool for that. I have contentious debates over ideas with people I know, but more importantly, with people a couple links away from me. It's been an extremely helpful bridge out of the filter bubble I'd probably otherwise inhabit. Of course, I'm not at all sure the benefits I've gotten have any resemblance to most peopl…
Surely there’s a way to keep these relationships alive outside of the system! Even an opportunity to make them more meaningful.
Yes: RSS and/or email lists. I have a blog and email client, but I also know some people who wouldn't use those things. It sucks, but that's the way things are now.