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Using pkg to update both base and ports with a single tool will be nice. As will updating jails robustly; freebsd-update is not so great in jails in my experience.
freebsd-update works fine in jails, as long as you use it correctly. Unfortunately there are a few landmines due to versioning issues.
Honest question: what is the big deal about syspatch? I see OpenBSD folks talk about it as if it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. How is this different from what many distributions have had for more than a decade in the form of apt or yum?
Can't use Linux distribution tools like apt/yum unless you package the update contents as rpm/dpkg files and distribute apt/yum with the base system. Neither of those is happening in OpenBSD, or likely any BSD. (I can go into more detail on why if you're curious.) In some ways, the BSDs are just catching up to Linux in terms of update distribution mechanism. They all have a history of being self-hosting compile-from-…
"Whenever you remove any fence, always pause long enough to ask yourself, 'Why was it put there in the first place?'" G.K. Chesterton
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Can't use Linux distribution tools like apt/yum unless you package the update contents as rpm/dpkg files and distribute apt/yum with the base system. Neither of those is happening in OpenBSD, or likely any BSD. (I can go into more detail on why if you're curious.) In some ways, the BSDs are just catching up to Linux in terms of update distribution mechanism. They all have a history of being self-hosting compile-from-…
Packaged base is a beta feature in FreeBSD https://wiki.freebsd.org/PkgBase But IMO there's nothing wrong with freebsd-update.
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Can't use Linux distribution tools like apt/yum unless you package the update contents as rpm/dpkg files and distribute apt/yum with the base system. Neither of those is happening in OpenBSD, or likely any BSD. (I can go into more detail on why if you're curious.) In some ways, the BSDs are just catching up to Linux in terms of update distribution mechanism. They all have a history of being self-hosting compile-from-…
> some greybeards are still pretty attached to that idea "Whenever you remove any fence, always pause long enough to ask yourself, 'Why was it put there in the first place?'" G.K. Chesterton
With the BSDs, you didn't even have the option of binary updates or packages until quite recently.
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Yes, but like Debian, OpenBSD is ignoring that. Fedora, openSUSE, Mageia, etc. use the official term. Debian and the BSDs use the informal "arm64" term.
The informal makes more sense, BTW.
Honest question: what is the big deal about syspatch? I see OpenBSD folks talk about it as if it is the greatest thing since sliced bread. How is this different from what many distributions have had for more than a decade in the form of apt or yum?
Just glancing at the man page, atomic rollback kinda jumps out...
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freebsd-update works fine in jails, as long as you use it correctly. Unfortunately there are a few landmines due to versioning issues.
".. use it correctly": As in excluding the kernel component in freebsd-update.conf or how do you mean?
so does this mean smart phones and IOTs can run on BSD?
> The current target platforms are Rockchip RK3399, Allwinner A64/H5, Raspberry Pi 3 and Opteron A1100.
That's a good list, it may cover a number of "Maker"-oriented single-board computers that are fun to play with.
Note that most of the Raspberry Pi chip is its Broadcom Videocore IV graphics processor, which is not supported by the OpenBSD OS. You would have to hook up a screen to the GPIO pins, I think, rather than getting display out of the HDMI port. There are lots of LCD display "hats" on the market.
(I am typing this on my iPad, which is an iOS device, which is a descendent of BSD.)
so does this mean smart phones and IOTs can run on BSD?
OpenBSD support list [0] at the moment: > The current target platforms are Rockchip RK3399, Allwinner A64/H5, Raspberry Pi 3 and Opteron A1100. That's a good list, it may cover a number of "Maker"-oriented single-board computers that are fun to play with. Note that most of the Raspberry Pi chip is its Broadcom Videocore IV graphics processor, which is not supported by the OpenBSD OS. You would have to hook up a scree…
Alternatively you can just SSH 59 it. It depends on what your objectives are.