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Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by SubiculumCode »

sametmax wrote: post #56
dsacco wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It’s easy to believe that, but if you can’t reasonably quantify it based on anything empirical, why bother? It’s a cognitive blind spot to assume communities you’re a part of have a higher mean intelligence than the general population :)

I'm part of a lot of communities, and clearly HN is one of the rare where I am, more often than not, answered in comments by people more intelligent than me. So even if I'd consider myself an average Joe, it seems a good sign that HN has quite a lot of intelligent people. At least more than average.

While I cannot be certain that a randomly selected HN participant is above average intelligence, the average and is clearly is at least 1 SD above average, and the median is not 100. The quality of posts, in-depth knowledge expressed, nuanced, fluid, and flexible thinking, makes this a community in which I wish to participate, and this is coming from someone who frequently communicates with academic researchers and intellectuals in his daily life.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by otalp »

llamaz wrote: post #67
thaumaturgy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried out Mensa briefly some years ago. I was just looking for new social circles. I have some pretty sharp older buddies that I play Go with weekly, they're a blast to talk to, and I thought I'd find some more of that. It was bad. Really, really bad. The local chapter had a tiny handful of post-retirement members. I knew a ton of folks in my community at the time, a bunch of them were smart, active people, and non…

How good you are at Go (or chess for that matter) has no correlation with your IQ. There are plenty of examples of people extremely good at chess that struggle, seriously, with academics (e.g. world champion Jose Raul Capablanca, and the youtuber and grandmaster Eric Hansen). Kasparov doesn't have 180+ IQ, which is a common myth. At some point he took the test and it turned out he had a respectable but definitely sub…

Interestingly in analysis of both children and grandmasters, IQ was negatively correlated with chess skills amongst elite players in the group.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by Recursing »

llamaz wrote: post #67
thaumaturgy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried out Mensa briefly some years ago. I was just looking for new social circles. I have some pretty sharp older buddies that I play Go with weekly, they're a blast to talk to, and I thought I'd find some more of that. It was bad. Really, really bad. The local chapter had a tiny handful of post-retirement members. I knew a ton of folks in my community at the time, a bunch of them were smart, active people, and non…

How good you are at Go (or chess for that matter) has no correlation with your IQ. There are plenty of examples of people extremely good at chess that struggle, seriously, with academics (e.g. world champion Jose Raul Capablanca, and the youtuber and grandmaster Eric Hansen). Kasparov doesn't have 180+ IQ, which is a common myth. At some point he took the test and it turned out he had a respectable but definitely sub…

There is definitely a correlation, it's just not as strong as most people assume.

Saying that there's lots of great chess players with low IQ doesn't mean the two things are not correlated

For some actual numbers, see https://www.researchgate.net/publication/307874653_The_relat...

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by Recursing »

otalp wrote: post #82
llamaz wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How good you are at Go (or chess for that matter) has no correlation with your IQ. There are plenty of examples of people extremely good at chess that struggle, seriously, with academics (e.g. world champion Jose Raul Capablanca, and the youtuber and grandmaster Eric Hansen). Kasparov doesn't have 180+ IQ, which is a common myth. At some point he took the test and it turned out he had a respectable but definitely sub…

Interestingly in analysis of both children and grandmasters, IQ was negatively correlated with chess skills amongst elite players in the group.

Can you provide a source for that?

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by [deleted] »

dsacco wrote: post #40
colek42 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The assumption that people reading HN are above average intelligence is probably accurate.

It’s easy to believe that, but if you can’t reasonably quantify it based on anything empirical, why bother? It’s a cognitive blind spot to assume communities you’re a part of have a higher mean intelligence than the general population :)

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Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by samstave »

This is why you got to be careful when properly distributing your points. I mean look at Raistlin, he is super powerful and intelligent, but at the cost of his horrible ailments, while his brother is a beast and super strong, but at the cost of being far more simple...

An even distribution is what’s needed.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by dailyvijeos »

oppositelock wrote: post #4

I've met plenty of incredibly intelligent people in my life, and very few mentioned Mensa. Those who did had a yearning for being recognized as smart or exceptional. Perhaps using Mensa membership to draw inferences about smart people in general isn't statistically applicable. It could be that people who want to be recognized as smart have those mental issues, which other smart people don't.

Mensa most often attracts the deeply insecure and insufferably arrogant. I worked with several IITians and multiple PhD/MD’s... how many joined Mensa? Zero (0). Sure, IITians reminisced about rank every now and then, but they didn’t have social clubs about it.

But hey, to each their own. And if it reduces the density of people I’d rather avoid everywhere else, expand Mensa with gusto.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by fileeditview »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #78
llamaz wrote: post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How good you are at Go (or chess for that matter) has no correlation with your IQ. There are plenty of examples of people extremely good at chess that struggle, seriously, with academics (e.g. world champion Jose Raul Capablanca, and the youtuber and grandmaster Eric Hansen). Kasparov doesn't have 180+ IQ, which is a common myth. At some point he took the test and it turned out he had a respectable but definitely sub…

Richard Feynman, one of the most respected geniuses of our era, tested as only having an IQ of 125. IQ tests are far from perfect, to say the least. This means our concept of IQ is likely inherently flawed. Feynman seemed to take glee in sharing his "low" IQ of only a 125. He was one of the smartest men on the planet in the last 100 years. Surely, we should defer to his opinion that the concept IQ is sort of a joke.…

It always struck me as crazy to represent all that is intelligence in one number. Also AFAIK many things such as "social intelligence" are not tested at all.

I always smile at people putting that much weight into IQ numbers..

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by throwaway808st »

macos9point1 wrote: post #69
oppositelock wrote: post #4

I've met plenty of incredibly intelligent people in my life, and very few mentioned Mensa. Those who did had a yearning for being recognized as smart or exceptional. Perhaps using Mensa membership to draw inferences about smart people in general isn't statistically applicable. It could be that people who want to be recognized as smart have those mental issues, which other smart people don't.

A lot of people join Mensa not to brag about it. Mensa can be a really good group to join to meet interesting people and make new friends. Lots of members don't discuss their membership outside of Mensa meetups.

In my experience, the people interested in Mensa are people who need validation and aren't necessarily the sort to brag. Usually people whose identity is tied up in being intelligent. These are the sort of people who have trouble succeeding, because they're unable to take a risk (lest it somehow indicate they weren't smart).

You know the sort, love online debates about bikesheds, but can't seem to make anything happen in the real world.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by waster »

llamaz wrote: post #67
thaumaturgy wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I tried out Mensa briefly some years ago. I was just looking for new social circles. I have some pretty sharp older buddies that I play Go with weekly, they're a blast to talk to, and I thought I'd find some more of that. It was bad. Really, really bad. The local chapter had a tiny handful of post-retirement members. I knew a ton of folks in my community at the time, a bunch of them were smart, active people, and non…

How good you are at Go (or chess for that matter) has no correlation with your IQ. There are plenty of examples of people extremely good at chess that struggle, seriously, with academics (e.g. world champion Jose Raul Capablanca, and the youtuber and grandmaster Eric Hansen). Kasparov doesn't have 180+ IQ, which is a common myth. At some point he took the test and it turned out he had a respectable but definitely sub…

How good you are at academics actually correlates with IQ only up to a certain extent. When your IQ is more than 3-4 standard deviations from the norm, academic high performance is less likely, most likely because thinking and learning patterns in that segment of the population are so dramatically different from how material is taught (and from how it is learned by everybody else). Source: I've worked with a lot of the nation's (and world's) leading specialists on profound giftedness and twice exceptionality, especially in kids. There is literature and research on this, but sample sizes are (obviously, for statistical reasons) small.
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