Don't Talk to the Police (2012) • Hacker News Board

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by whamlastxmas » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:49 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #7

How far do you take this? For example, suppose you hear someone down the street yell, "My baby!", look up, and see a man shove a woman to the ground, take a baby from a stroller, get into a car with the baby, and drive quickly up the street, leaving behind the woman screaming "He took my baby! Help!". They pass you, and a block farther up turn left onto a freeway on ramp. 30 seconds later a police officer drives by,…

It's a matter of the risk you're willing to take. Sometimes refusing to answer a simple question is going to get you arrested. As long as you're willing to risk arrest and expensive lawyers, don't say anything.

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by sherjilozair » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC

cryoshon wrote: post #9

sherjilozair wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think I can watch this video, but I would like to know what happened. Can someone perhaps provide a "transcript"?

imagine a man face down on the ground with his hands behind his head and his legs crossed in a narrow hallway. the man is sobbing in terror, and drunk. two cops are pointing assault weapons at the man and screaming at him from 20 feet down the hallway. eventually, they shoot him.

Why do they shoot him? Did he move abruptly or something? What should I be doing if I find myself in a similar situation?

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by draw_down » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #7

How far do you take this? For example, suppose you hear someone down the street yell, "My baby!", look up, and see a man shove a woman to the ground, take a baby from a stroller, get into a car with the baby, and drive quickly up the street, leaving behind the woman screaming "He took my baby! Help!". They pass you, and a block farther up turn left onto a freeway on ramp. 30 seconds later a police officer drives by,…

"I dunno officer, didn't see."

If you are implying that our society is made weaker by the distrust the justice system has earned from common citizens -- I agree!

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by whamlastxmas » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:50 PM UTC

slazaro wrote: post #2

I keep rewatching this video every now and then, very recommended if you're from the U.S. I wonder how much does all this information apply to other countries (for instance, in the EU).

I think a lot of countries have the ability to hold your silence against you. Thankfully this isn't the case in the US.

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by whamlastxmas » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:53 PM UTC

briandear wrote: post #10

So don’t talk to the police. Yet the same people promoting that are against concealed carry and the castle doctrine. So how does one defend themselves and their property if we assume we aren’t supposed to cooperate with police. It’s a serious question — we are supposed to be opposed to self defense because ostensibly police exist to protect us, but then we aren’t supposed to actually talk to police? How does that wor…

Even if concealed carry and castle doctrine laws didn't exist, you'd still be able to arm yourself against intruders.

What they will teach you in CHL classes is, if you shoot someone, to call the police and say "There was a shooting. Please send police and ambulance" and then hang up. You're not admitting anything, and asking for the ambulance is important because it displays concern for the person shot.

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by hdlothia » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:54 PM UTC

AimHere wrote: post #8

tzs wrote: post #7

How far do you take this? For example, suppose you hear someone down the street yell, "My baby!", look up, and see a man shove a woman to the ground, take a baby from a stroller, get into a car with the baby, and drive quickly up the street, leaving behind the woman screaming "He took my baby! Help!". They pass you, and a block farther up turn left onto a freeway on ramp. 30 seconds later a police officer drives by,…

If it looks like you're the suspect, then don't talk and get a lawyer. Otherwise, you should probably avoid doing anything that makes you a suspect, including demanding a lawyer prematurely.

There is no such thing as asking for a lawyer prematurely. Cops are allowed to lie , mislead anyone they want basically. Always make sure someone unaffiliated with law enforcement is around as a witness because they will lie for each other.

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by notatoad » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:55 PM UTC

sherjilozair wrote: post #12

cryoshon wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

imagine a man face down on the ground with his hands behind his head and his legs crossed in a narrow hallway. the man is sobbing in terror, and drunk. two cops are pointing assault weapons at the man and screaming at him from 20 feet down the hallway. eventually, they shoot him.

Why do they shoot him? Did he move abruptly or something? What should I be doing if I find myself in a similar situation?

I can't bring myself to watch it either, but from other descriptions: the police order the man to crawl towards them (while simultaneously yelling at him to put his hands in the air). As he's crawling along the floor, his pants start sliding off. When he reaches down to pull up his pants, the police kill him.

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by dustingetz » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:57 PM UTC

this may be true but there is a perverse incentive for lawyers to offer opinions that are both easily defensible and generate billable lawyer time

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by the-dude » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 6:02 PM UTC

whamlastxmas wrote: post #14

slazaro wrote: post #2

I keep rewatching this video every now and then, very recommended if you're from the U.S. I wonder how much does all this information apply to other countries (for instance, in the EU).

I think a lot of countries have the ability to hold your silence against you. Thankfully this isn't the case in the US.

Citation needed.

Re: Don't Talk to the Police (2012)

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Post by the-dude » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 6:03 PM UTC

dustingetz wrote: post #18

this may be true but there is a perverse incentive for lawyers to offer opinions that are both easily defensible and generate billable lawyer time

If this is the talk I think it is, there is 30 mins of laywer and then 30 mins of police officer, saying the exact same thing.