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Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by _8j50 » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:30 PM UTC

I have a different theory, most cultures tell a kid that has mental issues or is unattractive that he's "smart" even if that isn't the case.because, after all,even with a good body and looks you can only go so far and if your social and emotional intelligence is low that only leaves academic intelligence.

So,my theory is that people prone to developing mental disorders tend to also get encouragement from their parents and community to seek academic intellectual success. I believe 80%(guesstimate) of "IQ" is a result of the individual working out their brain.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:31 PM UTC

nordsieck wrote: post #27

torstenvl wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, it's an assumption, but my assumption is rooted in Dunbar's numbers.

You're assuming that IQs are randomly distributed across relationships. They're not. People are assortative in their associations.

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Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:37 PM UTC

nordsieck wrote: post #27

torstenvl wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

True, it's an assumption, but my assumption is rooted in Dunbar's numbers.

You're assuming that IQs are randomly distributed across relationships. They're not. People are assortative in their associations.

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Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by rectangletangle » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:38 PM UTC

dqpb wrote: post #36

People who do well on standardized tests of intelligence—IQ tests—tend to be more successful in the classroom and the workplace. Where is everyone taking these IQ tests? In my entire life I've never come across one in the wild, just SAT, GRE, etc.

They sometimes use them as a diagnostic test for various learning disorders, such as dyslexia.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:38 PM UTC

inputcoffee wrote: post #12

I wonder if the mood disorders are causal. For instance, the largest mood disorder was anxiety. Let me recast anxiety as "overly caring". An anxious person may work 3x as hard at a presentation or an exam. I don't want to glamorize mental disorders, but I think this might not be a coincidental connection.

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Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by alexasmyths » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:39 PM UTC

colek42 wrote: post #30

nordsieck wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're assuming that IQs are randomly distributed across relationships. They're not. People are assortative in their associations.

The assumption that people reading HN are above average intelligence is probably accurate.

"but if you can’t reasonably quantify it based on anything empirical,"

Simply the writing quality, grammar and sentence structure of the comments on HN would easily be enough to prove that HN readers (well, commenters) are above average.

I spend enough time glazing over headlines, stories and comments from other sites out of casual interest and I'll bet any amount of money this is true.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by s_ngularity » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:42 PM UTC

dqpb wrote: post #36

People who do well on standardized tests of intelligence—IQ tests—tend to be more successful in the classroom and the workplace. Where is everyone taking these IQ tests? In my entire life I've never come across one in the wild, just SAT, GRE, etc.

Some "gifted" school programs require an IQ test for admission, and I believe that there have been studies that show that the students who were part of these programs do better than average in life. I haven't looked into it though, so I may be wrong.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by dep_b » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:44 PM UTC

IQ is like an atom number. The higher ones are more often unstable.

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by sndean » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:45 PM UTC

Some of this reminds me of The Ph.D. Grind by Philip Guo [0] and my own experience when I was getting my PhD:

"For those few months, I morphed into an antisocial grump who shunned all distraction and became deeply immersed in my craft. All I thought about was computer code; I could barely speak in coherent English sentences except during my weekly progress meetings with Margo. Even though I appeared and acted subhuman (i.e., an unshaven disheveled mess), my emotional state was blissful. I was programming and debugging for over ten hours per day, but my mind was quite relaxed since my technical skills were well-calibrated for the challenges I faced."

> my emotional state was blissful

There was a huge disconnect between how happy I was and how I behaved and appeared. I gained 50+ pounds, lost normal hygiene, essentially only ate peanut butter, became nocturnal, and more or less didn't leave my apartment. My advisor was pretty explicit in their concern about my mental health, but, looking back, I was really happy.

I wonder how much of this mental illness : high IQ association is simply being obsessed with what you're working on?

[0] http://pgbovine.net/PhD-memoir/pguo-PhD-grind_2012-07-16.pdf

Re: Superior IQs associated with mental and physical disorders, research suggests

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Post by taneq » Sat, Dec 09, 2017, 5:46 PM UTC

dqpb wrote: post #36

People who do well on standardized tests of intelligence—IQ tests—tend to be more successful in the classroom and the workplace. Where is everyone taking these IQ tests? In my entire life I've never come across one in the wild, just SAT, GRE, etc.

I dunno, my dad took us to get tested at one point when we were in school, iirc I was ~130. Low enough to still be pretty common, high enough to feel the pressure to do something with it.

Then again, when I got to uni I was classed with people who scored way higher than I did and they were... I dunno, "intelligent" but not "smart". I didn't see any correlation between entry exam scores and subsequent performance.