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One of the worst videos I've seen on the internet is the Daniel Shaver execution from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw

The Sergeant (voice in the vid) thinks he's fucking Jigsaw, and he wasn't even the guy that pulled the trigger. America is fucked.

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Interesting analysis. As a counterpoint to the headline that might be little fear-inducing, my first reaction when reading it was: only so little? Things must be bad. I mean: the perfect situation is when there are no homicides at all. But in a little less perfect imaginary world, in which bad people never get the chance to hurt innocents because police stops it, some bad people might still go down resisting arrest,…

I believe the reality you described is the basis for the movie minority report, where the cops are so good crimes are stopped before they happen. If I am a relatively good person when I decide to commit a crime there would be no warning for cops. There’s no trail of paperwork, rap sheet, or perp associates... if cops were to be able to stop me given what I just described, I’m not sure I would want to live in that reality.

With the title in mind a third of strangers killed are killed by cops, shouldn’t they be better at not killing people?

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The question discussed is interesting and important but I felt the structure of this article is somewhat unfortunate: it explains very well and objectively some of the statistical issues and solutions with censored data but then when discussing how it’s applied to the particular case of police homicide does so with a rather obvious bias towards assuming that the situation is very bad and comes up with a number, manua…

Can you point to exactly where you believe the analysis becomes inaccurate due to the researchers' purported bias? I found the analysis quite clear and the paper was even more illuminating. If your issue is with the "final" 1,500 number (increased from 1,250), you'll find that it's well-supported in both the blog post: >>> Keep in mind that the Bureau of Justice Statistics report itself excludes many jurisdictions in…

> If the reporting jurisdictions are missing from the dataset not because there were truly no killings in those areas during this period, but instead because they chose not to report homicides by police

That's a rather large assumption that needs to be justified.

Re: Police Homicides in the United States

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Interesting analysis. As a counterpoint to the headline that might be little fear-inducing, my first reaction when reading it was: only so little? Things must be bad. I mean: the perfect situation is when there are no homicides at all. But in a little less perfect imaginary world, in which bad people never get the chance to hurt innocents because police stops it, some bad people might still go down resisting arrest,…

> But in a little less perfect imaginary world, in which bad people never get the chance to hurt innocents because police stops it, some bad people might still go down resisting arrest, at which point 100% of all homicides would be police-inflicted, and that would be good. Not perfect, but better than what we have.

What kind of dystopian nightmare is this?

> The real question is, how many of those killed by the police were killed in totally justifiable self-defense, and not just because of policemen being trigger-happy. Or, put another way, what's the probability that a person who is not resisting arrest to get "accidentally" killed by the police.

It's rarely an accident.

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One of the worst videos I've seen on the internet is the Daniel Shaver execution from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw The Sergeant (voice in the vid) thinks he's fucking Jigsaw, and he wasn't even the guy that pulled the trigger. America is fucked.

And it's one of many, just in 2017 and on camera.

> America is fucked.

Yups. Unless when you have a lot of money/influence.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVHmshtmDqo

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post #25

Interesting analysis. As a counterpoint to the headline that might be little fear-inducing, my first reaction when reading it was: only so little? Things must be bad. I mean: the perfect situation is when there are no homicides at all. But in a little less perfect imaginary world, in which bad people never get the chance to hurt innocents because police stops it, some bad people might still go down resisting arrest,…

> But in a little less perfect imaginary world, in which bad people never get the chance to hurt innocents because police stops it, some bad people might still go down resisting arrest, at which point 100% of all homicides would be police-inflicted, and that would be good. Not perfect, but better than what we have. What kind of dystopian nightmare is this? > The real question is, how many of those killed by the polic…

> What kind of dystopian nightmare is this?

One in which, say, 3 of 3, is still 100%.

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The statistical abuse in this headline is extreme. It's so meaningless, yet so carefully designed to appeal to irrational confirmation biases. Consider some extremely simple thought experiments: e.g. Imagine a world where police do their job even better, and eliminate all murder. But, in some cases, they have to kill the murderer before he takes an innocent victim. They never kill unless it's absolutely necessary and…

Well, maybe it helps to compare: Germany: 2155 homicides in 2011, 6 by the police.

German killers are smarter?

Re: Police Homicides in the United States

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you point to exactly where you believe the analysis becomes inaccurate due to the researchers' purported bias? I found the analysis quite clear and the paper was even more illuminating. If your issue is with the "final" 1,500 number (increased from 1,250), you'll find that it's well-supported in both the blog post: >>> Keep in mind that the Bureau of Justice Statistics report itself excludes many jurisdictions in…

> If the reporting jurisdictions are missing from the dataset not because there were truly no killings in those areas during this period, but instead because they chose not to report homicides by police That's a rather large assumption that needs to be justified.

It is justified, both in the citation and the actual text. The ARD dataset is driven by self-reporting from various local agencies. The fact that the FBI's SHR data and the ARD dataset have a mismatch (that is, there are police-related homicides in SHR that are not present in the ARD data and vice versa) is proof enough that there is underreporting in these datasets!

Re: Police Homicides in the United States

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One of the worst videos I've seen on the internet is the Daniel Shaver execution from last year: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M62Va6Ft2cw The Sergeant (voice in the vid) thinks he's fucking Jigsaw, and he wasn't even the guy that pulled the trigger. America is fucked.

What's the percentage of the police killing are unjustified though?

Even in this video the guy is reaching behind his back a couple of times, while being told to keep them visible.

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