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macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by chaostheory »

cjsuk wrote: post #75
1_2__4 wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's all sit and reflect for a moment that Apple was the first (and for a long time, the only) company that used to get sleep/wake "right".

And now I'm sad. This was one of the reasons I never adopted Linux on a laptop. Power management simply never worked. I used Windows for many years on a ThinkPad with Linux in a VM but this felt dirty. Bought a Mac and life was good. Well it was until 10.13. 50% of wake up events I have to log in to a trashed desktop now. It makes me long for a computer nailed to a bit of ethernet that is never turned off. Edit: also…

Are you connecting to an external monitor? Sleep Wake still works fine for me. The other thing is that I didn't import anything from backup. It's a clean install.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by Spivak »

jerf wrote: post #30

Lock screens are harder than they first appear: www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html (Which, you'll note, mentions this exact failure case in the "Transfer Grabs?" section.) There's some X-specific stuff in there, but there's a lot of general issues in there, and with just a bit of imagination most or all of the X-specific issues can be seen as general issues as well.

See the problem is that they don't have to be. An architecture where the screenshield must be a client to the display server like any other application is terrible design and largely an X-ism rather than something fundamental.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by throwawaymanbot »

gonational wrote: post #63

With no disrespect to the developers at Apple, et al, each one of these problems that goes viral before reaching “proper” channels is a well-deserved slap in the face of these behemoth organizations. Perhaps, if the entire tech community regards Apple as a joke, they will start paying attention. “Responsible disclosure” is great stuff for creating a culture of free outsourcing of tech companies’ most imporant feature…

totally agree, the quality has gone from apple, so has my trust..

The iphone IOS release, with the letter "I" issue was a total joke, what a disaster. Like did not one engineer testing the OS type the letter I? Cant be surprised this happens.

For the first time ever, I'm contemplating an android phone. I know its nothing special but at least it seems people have done QA on it.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by brazzledazzle »

DoodleBuggy wrote: post #96
dawnerd wrote: post #79

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Same problems as you, but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently. But holy hell do they need to work on their external monitor support. Yesterday I had one of my monitors randomly go black for a second. I’ve had audio over usbc just not show up anymore and it refusing to see my gigabit ethernet when waking up unless I unplug the actual ethernet cable. Simply amazing this pa…

> but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently. Strongly disagree, and I can not conceive of how it could be viewed as "better" than hardware keys. Maybe if they moved it above the FN row and we regained the hardware escape key, while making it a build to order option. Even then, I personally would have no interest in it, and neither would anyone else I know. I do not want to…

I don't know how far out it would be but with the changes to their keyboard and the addition of their touchbar I wonder if their long term plan is a touch screen in the bottom half to replace the keyboard and pad. Without some kind of tactile interface I hope I'm wrong about my suspicions.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by throwawaymanbot »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #106
zamalek wrote: post #70

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> probably Show and focus a window when the user locks their machine.

Yeah. You can do keystroke logging without root but typing into password fields can't be intercepted. This would be a nice complement to that capability.

Interestingly, someone mentioned on twitter the same thing happening to them on ubuntu With slack. Would this be an issue with slack interjecting itself for key strokes?

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by SkyPuncher »

malchow wrote: post #31

Not to pile on, but my MBP (with "TouchBar" which will assuredly not exist in another year) is always in clamshell mode and connected to two external LG 4K displays. Whether, on which screen(s), or in what state the Mac wakes each morning is completely random. Sometimes it doesn't wake at all. Sometimes I have artifacts on one screen and a desktop on another screen. The sleep/wake sequence is a complete mess, and it…

I have an OG MBP with the same problem. It's seems to have improved, but I still occasionally get kernel panics (?) when I resume with multiple monitors connected.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by DigitalJack »

brazzledazzle wrote: post #114
DoodleBuggy wrote: post #96

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> but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently. Strongly disagree, and I can not conceive of how it could be viewed as "better" than hardware keys. Maybe if they moved it above the FN row and we regained the hardware escape key, while making it a build to order option. Even then, I personally would have no interest in it, and neither would anyone else I know. I do not want to…

I don't know how far out it would be but with the changes to their keyboard and the addition of their touchbar I wonder if their long term plan is a touch screen in the bottom half to replace the keyboard and pad. Without some kind of tactile interface I hope I'm wrong about my suspicions.

dear God I hope not.

I wouldn't mind if they made the touch pad into a screen. Probably not that useful, but it wouldn't bother me.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by yeukhon »

tachion wrote: post #13

Oh, wow - I've reported this problem along with na example exploit to Apple about 6-7 years ago. Never got any recognition for it, but It was fixed some time after that. It's quite sad to see old bugs getting new lives like that. For those interested, the sample exploitation that I've discovered was connecting any iPod/iPhone device to a OSX laptop while screen was locked was taking the focus away from login prompt '…

> Oh, wow - I've reported this problem along with na example exploit to Apple about 6-7 years ago

Any proofs? Perhaps you can demand a bounty payout or sue them ignoring!

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by barkingcat »

drb91 wrote: post #62
striking wrote: post #34

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N.B. jwz does not like being linked to from HN. Open the link in a new tab.

With treatement like that, I’d prefer to avoid this person and all their content.

That's exactly what he wants from the horde on this site. To not visit his site :)

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Post by gaius »

mholt wrote: post #73
gonational wrote: post #63

With no disrespect to the developers at Apple, et al, each one of these problems that goes viral before reaching “proper” channels is a well-deserved slap in the face of these behemoth organizations. Perhaps, if the entire tech community regards Apple as a joke, they will start paying attention. “Responsible disclosure” is great stuff for creating a culture of free outsourcing of tech companies’ most imporant feature…

Yes, the manner of disclosure reflects the respect one has for the software vendor. https://twitter.com/mholt6/status/935687749381775362 Responsible disclosure is more or less earned as your resources go to infinity.

Who can respect a vendor that assigns engineers to work on the animated poop icon instead of basic security?
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