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macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by kuschku »

jerf wrote: post #30

Lock screens are harder than they first appear: www.jwz.org/xscreensaver/toolkits.html (Which, you'll note, mentions this exact failure case in the "Transfer Grabs?" section.) There's some X-specific stuff in there, but there's a lot of general issues in there, and with just a bit of imagination most or all of the X-specific issues can be seen as general issues as well.

Sadly, he also is fighting against the only solution to this issue.

There has been work to solve this by registering the session, compositor, and screen locker each with the session manager.

If the screen locker (which now can use any toolkit) crashes, the session manager can try to restart it. If it fails again, it just displays "your unlocker has crashed. To unlock this session, open a tty, login, and type `loginctl session-unlock`"

This solves all the issues, but he (and many others) have been fighting against systemd for a while (which fixes this, and so many other issues, which no competing project ever handled)

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by martinp »

Not surprised by these bugs any more.

The sheer amount of bugs in High Sierra is ridiculous, with the exception of the root password bug, I've personally experienced the following bugs with my Thunderbolt display:

* In 10.13 or 10.13.1 the built-in web camera was broken. The video would freeze after a few seconds when attempting to use the camera in FaceTime. This was fixed in 10.13.2.

* In 10.13.2 USB audio devices connected to the TB display no longer work properly. After playing audio through the device (USB DAC in my case) for 30-60 seconds, some sort of interference/electrical noise appears for 5-10 seconds every minute or so. I assume this has something to with "Improves compatibility with certain third-party USB audio devices." from the 10.13.2 release notes.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by username223 »

drb91 wrote: post #62
striking wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

N.B. jwz does not like being linked to from HN. Open the link in a new tab.

With treatement like that, I’d prefer to avoid this person and all their content.

Your loss. Jamie Zawinski probably helped write a lot of the software you're using right now, and has observed the internet almost since its birth.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by gruez »

1_2__4 wrote: post #71
malchow wrote: post #31

Not to pile on, but my MBP (with "TouchBar" which will assuredly not exist in another year) is always in clamshell mode and connected to two external LG 4K displays. Whether, on which screen(s), or in what state the Mac wakes each morning is completely random. Sometimes it doesn't wake at all. Sometimes I have artifacts on one screen and a desktop on another screen. The sleep/wake sequence is a complete mess, and it…

Let's all sit and reflect for a moment that Apple was the first (and for a long time, the only) company that used to get sleep/wake "right".

what did other companies not get right?

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by DoodleBuggy »

dawnerd wrote: post #79
malchow wrote: post #31

Not to pile on, but my MBP (with "TouchBar" which will assuredly not exist in another year) is always in clamshell mode and connected to two external LG 4K displays. Whether, on which screen(s), or in what state the Mac wakes each morning is completely random. Sometimes it doesn't wake at all. Sometimes I have artifacts on one screen and a desktop on another screen. The sleep/wake sequence is a complete mess, and it…

Same problems as you, but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently. But holy hell do they need to work on their external monitor support. Yesterday I had one of my monitors randomly go black for a second. I’ve had audio over usbc just not show up anymore and it refusing to see my gigabit ethernet when waking up unless I unplug the actual ethernet cable. Simply amazing this pa…

> but I disagree on the touchbar. It’s one of the better things Apple has added recently.

Strongly disagree, and I can not conceive of how it could be viewed as "better" than hardware keys. Maybe if they moved it above the FN row and we regained the hardware escape key, while making it a build to order option. Even then, I personally would have no interest in it, and neither would anyone else I know. I do not want to look at my hands while I type, ever.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by happyrock »

runjake wrote: post #54

I have had this happen with 10.12 and 10.11 on rare occasions. To my knowledge, I'm not doing anything different on the occasions that it does happen. It wasn't Slack-specific as I've only started using Slack recently.

It happened to me as well, but with HipChat.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by jethro_tell »

mholt wrote: post #73
gonational wrote: post #63

With no disrespect to the developers at Apple, et al, each one of these problems that goes viral before reaching “proper” channels is a well-deserved slap in the face of these behemoth organizations. Perhaps, if the entire tech community regards Apple as a joke, they will start paying attention. “Responsible disclosure” is great stuff for creating a culture of free outsourcing of tech companies’ most imporant feature…

Yes, the manner of disclosure reflects the respect one has for the software vendor. https://twitter.com/mholt6/status/935687749381775362 Responsible disclosure is more or less earned as your resources go to infinity.

This stuff is so amateur though I don't think it is being discovered and handled by security guys. It's just some dev that is annoyed that the lock screen doesn't have total focus which is annoying and insecure and the kid of shit you'd see in the 90s

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by sccxy »

martinp wrote: post #92

Not surprised by these bugs any more. The sheer amount of bugs in High Sierra is ridiculous, with the exception of the root password bug, I've personally experienced the following bugs with my Thunderbolt display: * In 10.13 or 10.13.1 the built-in web camera was broken. The video would freeze after a few seconds when attempting to use the camera in FaceTime. This was fixed in 10.13.2. * In 10.13.2 USB audio devices…

For me it is impossible to update macOS too.

App Store is not working.

Downloading fix from website tells that my fusion drive is not compatible with this kind of install. Use App Store.

I don't even have a fusion drive.

Re: macOS lock screen: “I just sent my session pass to my whole team”

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Post by mnm1 »

malchow wrote: post #31

Not to pile on, but my MBP (with "TouchBar" which will assuredly not exist in another year) is always in clamshell mode and connected to two external LG 4K displays. Whether, on which screen(s), or in what state the Mac wakes each morning is completely random. Sometimes it doesn't wake at all. Sometimes I have artifacts on one screen and a desktop on another screen. The sleep/wake sequence is a complete mess, and it…

Sleep / wake in this kind of setup has always been an issue with my 2013 rmbp. I'm not even on high Sierra. USB stuff doesn't wake up the computer. Opening the lid doesn't wake it up. Sometimes typing on the laptop itself doesn't work and it requires a hard reboot. It's been four years now and I've given up hope that Apple will ever get sleep / wake right.

The reality is that Apple's software is absolute shit. OS X was the only software that wasn't shit. I can't think of a single counterexample otherwise. They take great software (like logic audio) and turn it to shit. It's incredible. Clearly macos follows in the shit tradition of iTunes, the legendary mother of Apple's shit software.

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