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Bitcoin (BTC) is up by +22% in a single day, valued at over $14,600

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Re: Bitcoin (BTC) is up by +22% in a single day, valued at over $14,600

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He's trying to figure out when and how to dump. The when is right before the bubble bursts (look up Nina Brink for example in dotcom burst). The how is by spending the money on businesses who accept Bitcoin. Problem is when a "Bitcoin run" (akin to bank run) starts you'll have slow, expensive transactions going down in worth compared to EUR or USD. Plus businesses can decide to stop accept BTC as currency like Steam…

I'm not really sure what it means for someone to have millions of dollars of value in Bitcoin. In practice how much of that money might someone be able to convert to cash and over how long of a time period? I'm also not really sure what the catalyst of a Bitcoin crash would be, wouldn't it require for the vast majority of people to decide Bitcoin is no longer worth buying ever? As long as the supply of greater fools…

> As long as the supply of greater fools never runs out, won't there be people around who buy into every dip and keep the price going higher?

Yeah, people thought the same during the tulip mania (something every Dutch kid gets taught at history class in high school [1]), dotcom bubble, MLM & ponzi schemes. "It can't possibly burst, the amount of fools who buy them are infinite." Of course it isn't infinite, and people are learning about Tether.

Plus, don't forget Bitcoin basically became illegal in China.

> I'm still not sure if that guy is lucky or screwed with his Bitcoin investment, but he seems confident it will work out.

As long as he can spend his Bitcoins, and as long as he does before it bursts, he's OK. Simple fact: if he spends it all now, he spend it with huge profit. I mean, if he can resell the products he buys with Bitcoin at a 10%-20% loss (which is very fair for a new product with receipt/warranty) he's still in on a net ~45-55% profit. Problem is the high transaction costs means people keep sit on their networth.

At some point though the exit strategy is destroyed when companies stop accepting Bitcoin as payment method. You can't exactly fortune tell when but when this happens en masse that's when the momentum of Bitcoin is RIP. Steam recently did, officially because as they put its "volatile" and because the transaction costs are too high (several tens of EUR/USD per transaction). Them saying its "volatile" is a way of expressing disagreement with the coin increasing in worth without being needlessly offensive. At the same time, they don't burn their bridge with Bitcoin altogether. My take is they'll restart with Bitcoin once the bubble bursted and stabilized.

And the reason it will burst is Tether. I'll patiently wait. I'm mid 30s. I got a whole life ahead. Recently bought a hardware wallet. Am I sad I didn't start with Bitcoins earlier? Sure, first of all because I like the concept in combination with a hardware wallet, and there was very little competition and virtually no drama about it (before Mt Gox). Second, I wish I did when it was 200 USD. And I even considered to start with BTC back then. I easily had a few thousand EUR to speculate with. The current stuff though, is irrational, and has the signs of bursting bubble all over it.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulip_mania

Re: Bitcoin (BTC) is up by +22% in a single day, valued at over $14,600

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This is a farce. There's only been negative news today and yet prices jump higher than ever. There's no conceivable way this doesn't end badly. I guess people are gambling on being lucky enough to exit before then. Edit: removed unnecessary hostility. If you have money to spare on a high risk gamble like this then by all means. But in general there's just no way everyone jumping in is fully aware of the risks.

It's the first in a new asset class that provides things that never existed before, mainly being the ability to quickly transact value over great geographic distances and national borders with zero interference from third parties. The value of that is extremely underestimated by most people, and shouldn't be so hard to grasp. Analogous examples are the Internet and Google, which provided very straightforward and simp…

Kindly note I made no claims about whether bitcoin is or isn't novel technologically. Or whether it has a purpose. I said it was irrational that prices increase when the only news is negative. You're clearly being emotional about this.

Re: Bitcoin (BTC) is up by +22% in a single day, valued at over $14,600

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post #5

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I just bought some and I will sell when it reaches 5x if it ever does.

I'm gonna do the same but sell when it gets to 10x. Have fun being half as rich as me!

that's fine, I just like to set a goal and stick to it... enjoy the extra cash (maybe).

Re: Bitcoin (BTC) is up by +22% in a single day, valued at over $14,600

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I'm in Seoul as we speak, and it's an insane mania here. It has absolutely nothing to do with North Korea. If Koreans want to keep money safe, they can, for example, buy US stocks and bonds. They can buy US Treasuries. Bitcoin they buy out of greed and fear of missing out. Korea is the land of the trend, of bangdwagonning. I feel bad for all of the people who are going to be burned. I saw an ad on YouTube, in Korean:…

Sooo... how much savings South Korea has and how it compares to how much money was invested in bitcoin so far? I other words, what happens with the price in South Korea will put half of their savings in bitcoin?

Excuse the late reply. I don't have numbers for you, but they still can't be that big. Bitcoin is perhaps fanatically adopted by some, and they may bring their friends in, but it has to still be a very very small percentage of total investments. 50 percent of Korean personal investments going into bitcoin seems, thankfully, impossible.

Btw the gov't here has outlawed bitcoin derivatives including futures, and classifies bitcoin as a speculative asset, not a currency or means of exchange. I can easily imagine bitcoin being banned here, if there is a collapse and people get burned.

At the same time the gov't is supportive of new technologies and seeders interested in blockchains.

Re: Bitcoin (BTC) is up by +22% in a single day, valued at over $14,600

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post #5

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I just bought some and I will sell when it reaches 5x if it ever does.

I'm gonna do the same but sell when it gets to 10x. Have fun being half as rich as me!

we are already at 100% profits... let's wait a bit longer
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