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Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Re: Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Post by superb_herb »

daeken wrote: post #12

I went on a medically-supervised, very low calorie and low carb (keto) diet after being diagnosed with diabetes. A few months and about 50lbs in, I had no signs of insulin resistance whatsoever, my A1C was down to completely normal values, and I was able to discontinue my medication entirely. That diagnosis, as hard as it was to hear, was one of the absolute best things to ever happen to me.

I'm pretty sure my mother would rather die from her diabetes than eat a vegetable or give up her wine and chocolates.

It's heartbreaking.

And nothing I can do will change her diet.

Re: Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Post by logfromblammo »

daxorid wrote: post #42
metamet wrote: post #31

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Well, the problem is solved. People just don't want to take enough ownership over their health to actually do it.

The problem is moral hazard. If we did the right thing and cut Type 2 diabetics off from health insurance benefits (or at least dramatically increased premiums), the incentive structures would align quickly. Edit: Mildly confused about the downvotes. I am not suggesting doing this to Type 1 diabetics, or any medical condition that is not the result of lifestyle choices. Having type 2 diabetes is very much a choice.

Okay, for the sake of argument, let's also refuse to pay for treatment for BASE jumpers and cave divers. Now let's refuse coverage to people who get STDs. Now people who smoke. Now people who don't fasten their seat belts.

Do you see where that goes?

Re: Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Post by crusso »

gjem97 wrote: post #23

Was there really no research before this that showed that losing weight was beneficial for sufferers of Type II diabetes?

That's the surprising thing. How can weight-loss and diet improvements to treat type II diabetes be some kind of revelation? Would diet approaches not have shown this correlation many decades ago?

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Post by DiabloD3 »

throwaway0255 wrote: post #73
pascalxus wrote: post #63

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Great Work! that's awesome you could change your diet to a healthy one. These days there's such a huge stigma against eating healthily and responsibly, especially from friends and family.

Yeah, it’s bizarre. The topic of diet has a lot in common with religion. The research is so murky and poorly conducted and everything is a contradiction, so people have a tendency to just pick a “team” and form beliefs around that. Team Vegan, Team Vegetarian, Team Keto, Team Paleo. If you’re on a different team, you’re an attack on their dietary beliefs. If you’re on any team, you’re a pain in the ass to anyone who…

To be absolutely fair, Team Keto and Team Paleo are almost the same team. Keto people avoid foods with grains and refined sugars just because they're high carb; Paleo people avoid them because they're toxic, and often naturally fall into a lower carb diet (not necessarily "true" Keto lowness, but still usually a lot lower carb than they were pre-Paleo).

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Post by jimjimjim »

throwaway0255 wrote: post #73
pascalxus wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Great Work! that's awesome you could change your diet to a healthy one. These days there's such a huge stigma against eating healthily and responsibly, especially from friends and family.

Yeah, it’s bizarre. The topic of diet has a lot in common with religion. The research is so murky and poorly conducted and everything is a contradiction, so people have a tendency to just pick a “team” and form beliefs around that. Team Vegan, Team Vegetarian, Team Keto, Team Paleo. If you’re on a different team, you’re an attack on their dietary beliefs. If you’re on any team, you’re a pain in the ass to anyone who…

tribalism.

it pops up everywhere, sports, operating systems, code editors, vehicle manufacturers.

and it is actively used by and encouraged by all sorts of power structures.

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Post by DiabloD3 »

sp332 wrote: post #79
pascalxus wrote: post #68

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Spinach can help a huge amount in that because it has soo many nutrients. Here's my fasting plan: 1 Meal/day 100 cals - 1 lb of Spinach 60 cals of tuna (1/2 a small can) 1/2 lb of cauliflower That total comes out to about 200 cals and meets aboout 100% of 1/2 of all the micronutrients and roughly 50 to 100% of all the other micronutrients. The Tuna (Selenium,b3,b12,b6) nicely complements the Spinach (high in A,C,E,K,…

Did I misread or are you eating a pound of spinach in one sitting? How do you fit that in your stomach?

Have you never cooked spinach? It turns into nothing by the time you're done.

Re: Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Post by throwaway0255 »

lr4444lr wrote: post #76
throwaway0255 wrote: post #57

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Same. Pre-diabetic and all kinds of other health issues started creeping up (obesity, GERD, really bad heartburn, sleep apnea, etc). Most doctors would've just had me take medications, wear a mask that would breathe for me while I slept, and put my bed at an angle so I could sleep through the heartburn/reflux. Started calorie restricting and eliminated grains and sugar from my diet almost entirely, and all pre-diabet…

The part almost no one goes into is, so what's your diet now that you've reached the baseline you'd like to keep? Total calorie intake (estimated)? Any food or food groups you still avoid? meal timing? Is it a sustainable lifestyle change?

My caloric intake while eating at a deficit was about 1200-1500 kcal. Maintenance is about 2200. I eat a lot of meat, poultry, fish, eggs. No restriction on fats, but I try to favor animal fats and olive oil. Unlimited vegetables. Fruit, but only raw (no dried fruit or juice), and favor berries over bananas. Nuts and cheese in moderation.

If I want carbs, favor sweet potato / regular potato over grains. Generally avoid that altogether though.

No beer, favor wine and liquor, all in moderation.

So that’s how I select, then from there I restrict to the calorie goal. If I do have pasta or cake, I go a little harder on myself the next day (or in the days prior). That’s rare though.

It’s been really easy. Hardest day was day 1, second-hardest day was day 2. Sustained for about a year so far, and I’m not struggling at all.

Re: Radical diet can reverse type 2 diabetes, new study shows

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Post by ghostbrainalpha »

dghughes wrote: post #59
slazaro wrote: post #34

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> Does this exist for non-diabetic patients? I recently had weight gain for the first time of my life after reaching 30yrs of age and always being underweight. I've been meaning to look into some diet-based approaches that would be supported by science, but Googling it has always been a deluge of pseudo-science. The Keto diet(s) are pretty popular for weight loss and general health too. The subreddit [1] is pretty ac…

I'd recommend /r/science for a more scholarly view instead of the r/keto subreddit which seems almost cult-like in its worship of the keto diet.

Did you mean to recommend /r/ketoscience/ ?

It's a great sub. The keto diet helped me lose about 30 pounds this year, and I was only fully committed to it about 20% of the time.

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Post by viraptor »

metamet wrote: post #31
xupybd wrote: post #14

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I don't know if it's a solved problem. It's very hard to get people to fast. It's even harder to get people to maintain a healthy lifestyle and body weight after going into remission.

Well, the problem is solved. People just don't want to take enough ownership over their health to actually do it.

Depends on what you see as a problem. Is it: technically what is the method of getting rid of diabetes in a controlled setting, or is it: how do we cure billions of people from general population, given the existing conditions of their lifestyle? Because the second one is the harder question. Currently it's solved in the same way world hunger is solved: just grow some plants and eat them, right?
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