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I think you can take off your tinfoil hat. Lots of price movement motivates more traffic to the exchanges, resulting in DDoS. As the bitcoin market grows GDAX, Bitfinex, etc are probably going to have to borrow some ideas/talent from NASDAQ & other big electronic exchanges to stabilize things.
Tinfoil hat off! Shouldn't an exchange be able to handle volume? Seems like a basic requirement. Regardless, I still believe that with the introduction of shorts, were going to see bigger swings.
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#43All of this is anecdotal: These past couple of days, whenever a coin soars a ridiculous amount, on any given exchange, that exchange seems to mysteriously go down. For example: Binance and Bitfinex were down for "maintenance" (or just plain down), while IOTA was experiencing a surge in price (from ~1.10 to 6$). Similarly this happens with Bitcoin today (it seems Quadriga had some issues and Coinbase; not sure about o…
Attention from price surges increases visitor traffic, and exchanges are understaffed or unprepared for the 10-100x increase in traffic volume. There's no need for complicated stories, evil corporations, or any of that nonsense. Stick with straightforward cause and effect.
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#44Earlier quoted context omitted.
How much money needed to come into the bitcoin market for it bump from 15k to 19k? Where is this money coming from??
Not much. 1% of asset allocation for an institutional investor is enough for that. EDIT: You currently need $70m to bump the market above 20k on GDAX. That's a lot for retail investors but not much if institutional investors get involved.
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#45I never want to reuse my comments from other thread but this time I just can't resist. No one really anticipated what we all are currently experiencing and Coinbase is not different. It seems Coinbase struggling to cope up: $0000 - $1000: 1789 days $1000- $2000: 1271 days $2000- $3000: 23 days $3000- $4000: 62 days $4000- $5000: 61 days $5000- $6000: 8 days $6000- $7000: 13 days $7000- $8000: 14 days $8000- $9000: 9…
It would make more sense to put this on a logarithmic scale. The move from $18000-$19000 is nowhere near as meaningful as the move from $0 to $1000. Also, the move to $19,000 seems to have been some kind of liquidity issue on GDAX, the price did not get that high on other exchanges.
$0000 - $1000: 1789 days
$1000- $2000: 1271 days
$2000- $4000: 85 days
$4000- $8000: 96 days
$8000- $19000: 20 days
Edit: Even on a logarithmic scale, bitcoin is experiencing exponential growth.
Re: Coinbase down for maintenance
#46All of this is anecdotal: These past couple of days, whenever a coin soars a ridiculous amount, on any given exchange, that exchange seems to mysteriously go down. For example: Binance and Bitfinex were down for "maintenance" (or just plain down), while IOTA was experiencing a surge in price (from ~1.10 to 6$). Similarly this happens with Bitcoin today (it seems Quadriga had some issues and Coinbase; not sure about o…
Isn't it just the simple explanation that big swings in the market bring insane traffic spikes to market websites? Add to the fact that people are also DDOS websites (doesn't take a "big money institution" to do that) and it seems the explanation is clear...
I'm much more inclined to believe the downtime is caused by scaling issues rather than some big conspiracy,
EDIT: Just to give some insight, one of the problems we run into is that usually only one issue is exposed during an outage. For example, lets say we have 10 functions (or services or whatever) in a row that all call each other. All the odd numbered ones have issues where they fail at scale. During the first downtime, function one will fail and start to throw errors, but this means the full traffic load isn't reaching the rest of the functions. By the time the problem is solved, traffic has usually died down, so function 1 is fixed, but 3,5,7,9 still have issues that haven't been exposed.
Additionally, at a quickly growing company like Coinbase, the code isn't going to stay the same for very long, so even once those functions are fixed, new issues are introduced.
It's easy to say they should be load testing at 10x their expected load to prevent these type of issues, but it's really hard to replicate production traffic. Users do weird and unexpected shit that can cause problems.
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#47Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you can take off your tinfoil hat. Lots of price movement motivates more traffic to the exchanges, resulting in DDoS. As the bitcoin market grows GDAX, Bitfinex, etc are probably going to have to borrow some ideas/talent from NASDAQ & other big electronic exchanges to stabilize things.
Tinfoil hat off! Shouldn't an exchange be able to handle volume? Seems like a basic requirement. Regardless, I still believe that with the introduction of shorts, were going to see bigger swings.
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#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think you can take off your tinfoil hat. Lots of price movement motivates more traffic to the exchanges, resulting in DDoS. As the bitcoin market grows GDAX, Bitfinex, etc are probably going to have to borrow some ideas/talent from NASDAQ & other big electronic exchanges to stabilize things.
Tinfoil hat off! Shouldn't an exchange be able to handle volume? Seems like a basic requirement. Regardless, I still believe that with the introduction of shorts, were going to see bigger swings.
Re: Coinbase down for maintenance
#49Now what would happen if Coinbase went down at a time when Bitcoin was going through a short period of decreasing value?
This is exactly my question. What happens when these exchanges face the inevitable panic/bank run?
Re: Coinbase down for maintenance
#50All of this is anecdotal: These past couple of days, whenever a coin soars a ridiculous amount, on any given exchange, that exchange seems to mysteriously go down. For example: Binance and Bitfinex were down for "maintenance" (or just plain down), while IOTA was experiencing a surge in price (from ~1.10 to 6$). Similarly this happens with Bitcoin today (it seems Quadriga had some issues and Coinbase; not sure about o…
No, No, No! Conspiracy theories attract attention because they make the world seem more legible, when it's not. In this case, exchanges are not being attacked by shadowy corporations for short contracts. Attention from price surges increases visitor traffic, and exchanges are understaffed or unprepared for the 10-100x increase in traffic volume. There's no need for complicated stories, evil corporations, or any of th…
Seriously though, it's worth considering that this kind of thing could be possible even if we don't know whether or not it has anything to do with these specific outages.