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Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Based on my experience* over the past ~week, "robust" is not a word I'd use in the same sentence as "coinbase". *In addition intermittent outages which prevented me from accessing their site, I sent some Satoshi from my local wallet to coinbase (10 days ago at time of writing) in order to unload some; transaction was marked "pending"; they've since sold the coins; customer support has stopped responding to my emails.

UPDATE: My "pending" transaction was marked as "complete" and the coins appeared in my coinbase wallet this morning (almost 11 days after I initially moved the coins). I'm not necessarily chalking it up to this comment, but I suppose it's possible. Fortune favored me this time around, but I don't know if I can trust coinbase again. If the price had dipped, I'd be out a bunch of money. (Just to be clear: they received…

Same

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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With the wild price swings, Bitcoin has practically no value as anything other than a speculative investment. Are any of these people downloading Coinbase and buying coins really interested in transacting in Bitcoin or are they just buying Beanie Babies? Although, as someone who thought the bubble would burst at $1,000, I'm quite impressed at how much interest it has garnered. I just don't seeing it end well for many…

Why? Most people just put money they don't need into it, like spare cash. Depending on when you bought, chances of ever going down to that level now is incredibly small.

I'm not so sure in the middle of a buying rush that people are just putting spare cash into it.

But the larger point is that even if people are investing small amounts, they're doing so to ride the rush, not because they see value in Bitcoin as anything other than an investment.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Coinbase seems to be the quintessential "sell shovels during a gold rush" company. Definitely provides a good case study about how to create a successful business during new industry booms.

The giant balance up top is an incredible FOMO machine. In the best findom/gamification, you can increase your "score" simply by giving them more money. The volatility makes the game more difficult to predict than most free-to-play games, but the daily graphs going up so fast make it hard to resist.

My brokerage account and bank accounts also display the balance. Sometimes at the top, sometimes in the middle. It's a UI decision, more than a FOMO game. With that mindset, capitalism itself is a FOMO and the balance at the top of your head (your net worth) the FOMO machine.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Coinbase is getting away with murder charging outrageous fees, cashing in the bitcoin frenzy. Kinda like the shady brokerages in the 80s.

Maybe, but how are they supposed to hire employees to build and run the infrastructure and rent datacenter space / cloud VPSes / etc. if they do it for free?

I'm not being facetious, I'm genuinely curious - hey, the fees seemed high to me, too. Luckily the appreciation of the coins made those icky feelings disappear quickly.

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Coinbase is simply suffering from insane growth pains. I mean, come on, they are adding half a million new users per week ! Of course support isn't going to be very responsive.

Funny how they are coping with signing up users just fine. Takes about 5 mins for somebody to check your ID and create an account. Support however seems not to be a priority to them.

> Funny how they are coping with signing up users just fine.

Not my experience - no luck getting ID verified yet.

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The total long-term value of bitcoin ecosystem is the value of bitcoin as a transactional instrument . There's a plausible justification to invest in bitcoin now if you believe that in future it'll have a large total capitalization because be used as valuable information of e.g. uncensorable pseudonymous transactions, and you'll be able to sell your bitcoins with profit to those people who'll want to use them for tra…

I like to think of bitcoin as the censorship resistant settlement layer on which payment networks/systems can and are being built (like lightning network, which just passed all tests). There are some pretty sweet video demos of lightning network/payment channels in action. Don't forget that it's now possible to broadcast bitcoin transactions via satellite - without internet...

That could very well be the thing, and there's certain value in that, however IMHO that value is limited because:

1) the market value of a settlement system handling is much, much lower than that of a retail payment system with a comparable value (not number) of transactions. If the "payment of the future" is a side-chain that uses bitcoin as the settlement layer, then that side-chain will be the value creator and get almost all benefit of that value, not bitcoin. Offering payment services to consumers and businesses is a huge value proposition; offering settlement services to institutions or technological payment networks is a lot of value as well but there's less market lock-in and network effect so that's going to be much more commoditized and more vulnerable to competition with established channels.

A consumer is only going to use a few payment methods for convenience reasons; a sophisticated institution (no matter if it's a bank or simply a large corporation selling stuff) or a realistic payment network is easily going to use all possible ways to settle their debts with institution B and is going to route every transaction among the cheapest route possible for that deal. Currently bitcoin is order of magnitude too expensive compared to other real time gross settlement systems (e.g. Target2 starts with ~dollar per transaction and becomes cheaper with more volume), so only transactions that require censorship resistance would be settled through bitcoin and all others would not. Even if we're not talking about institutions but a purely technological solution, using bitcoin as the settlement layer is something that can and will be switched to a different layer if that's more attractive.

2) The properties of bitcoin (irrevocability, pseudonymity, censorship resistance) are benefits to many consumer use-cases and markets, but not particularly relevant to large-volume settlement systems. Anyone who has thousands or millions of payments to aggregate and route through a gross settlement system would generally prefer revocability (partners of payment networks explicitly designed revocability in the protocols they designed, because they wanted this feature); they don't care about pseudonymity because they're large enough that they can't hide, and they don't care about technological censorship resistance because they anyway can't advertise/sell their services if they violate that censorship - they're too large to hide, and they'd be visited by angry men with guns if they tried that. Settlement layer has an entirely different target audience than consumer payments, and that audience has entirely different needs - ones that Bitcoin doesn't fulfill particularly well.

I.e. bitcoin can be used to, for example, smuggle capital out of China avoiding capital controls, and there's value in that use-case; but if it's used as a settlement layer for a service or process smuggling capital out of China, then that wouldn't drive up/maintain the price of Bitcoin nearly as much, and having a censorship-resistant settlement layer doesn't enable you to offer censorship-resistant payments unless all your other money flow is also censorship-resistant.

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Most foreign exchange and derivatives exchanges are on 23.5 hours a day, except weekends.

Nope. Investment banks are the main OTC for forex and they are shut weekends, as are major ECNs. Something might be open that will change your money but there is no real liquidity on the weekend. edit: do tell us hacker news instead of the downvotes...

You're getting downvoted because the comment you're disagreeing with literally says "except weekends".

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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So can you actually withdraw money from coinbase, if you say had 100 coins (I don't). Everyone said back then that Mt. Gox was safe because it was the biggest. It being based in Japan was a huge red flag, but nobody cared until all of its money disappeared. Coinbase being based in the US probably won't happen because there could be consequences for them if they disappear with the coins, but having been burned by Mt.…

It's an exchange so if there's no one to take the other side of the trade then you wouldn't be able to sell. They probably float a little bit of coin, but likely not enough to wipe them out. The question is what they'd do in a crisis. Would they freeze everyone's coin? Would other exchanges do the same?

Now, they could be hacked and lose a lot of customers' coin without realizing it as happened with Mt Gox. This is why it's advisable to hold your coin in an offline wallet, but doing so makes it harder to panic sell. But that shouldn't matter since we're all definitely here just to HODL crypto and see it actually be useful and we're definitely not just to try to speculate off of it. Right?? Right???

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If the bubble bursts, this will be a delightful pull quote in the postmortem: "Correction: December 6, 2017 An earlier version of a photo caption with this article misidentified the place where Coinbase employees were gathered for lunch. It was the gaming room, not the cafeteria."

I work at Coinbase. If you want the inside scoop: "game room" is a bit of a misnomer for that room. It's a large room with a big theater screen. All day it's full of meetings and presentations. There are a bunch of games on shelves as well, and some people play them after hours.

Hey, can you provide any insights on working there? I was speaking to a recruiter about working on Gdax and will probably interview in Feb., after I'm out of my current equity hole.
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