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Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Other stories: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6933360 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5427985 4 years ago they had a problem with customer service and the situation does not appear to have improved: > When it takes a public outcry on HN for a company to do their job, I no longer deal with such a company. Simple as that. I don't care if you raised $25 million - if you can't treat your users fairly, you…

>> When it takes a public outcry on HN for a company to do their job, I no longer deal with such a company. Simple as that. I don't care if you raised $25 million - if you can't treat your users fairly, you deserve neither. I wonder if that applies to Google too, the most famous company for which you need to get on the HN frontpage to actually reach someone there.

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Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Other stories: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6933360 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5427985 4 years ago they had a problem with customer service and the situation does not appear to have improved: > When it takes a public outcry on HN for a company to do their job, I no longer deal with such a company. Simple as that. I don't care if you raised $25 million - if you can't treat your users fairly, you…

How do you do customer service when you get 100K new users / day though?

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Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Other stories: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6933360 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5427985 4 years ago they had a problem with customer service and the situation does not appear to have improved: > When it takes a public outcry on HN for a company to do their job, I no longer deal with such a company. Simple as that. I don't care if you raised $25 million - if you can't treat your users fairly, you…

How do you do customer service when you get 100K new users / day though?

That's easy - you outsource it to cheapest provider you can find, preferably to the other side of the planet.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Coinbase is getting away with murder charging outrageous fees, cashing in the bitcoin frenzy. Kinda like the shady brokerages in the 80s.

You do have gdax where you can buy for zero fees with limit orders. No harm in letting others pay more for convenience.

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And it's very hard to get anyone to take this seriously. But as far as I can tell, it's a real possibility. I had to talk some sense into a friend who was saying she was fed up with being poor and was going to put her $7k life savings into bitcoin. I told her to treat it like gold, hold it, and be very careful to keep it secure. And off Coinbase. And my advice made her hesitate, and now she missed the 100% growth ove…

Holy crap, there is a top. To realize these gains, owners of bitcoins are going to have to convert back to fiat. US dollars have a built in floor as government issued fiat, which is that they are required to pay taxes. The money supply of a country is a precious resource, and the government has a responsibility, and incentive, to maintain some level of control. Look how serious the Secret Service is about counterfeit…

To realize these gains, owners of bitcoins are going to have to convert back to fiat.

If BTC wins, we'll be converting our dollars to BTC, not the other way around.

There are many tools the government has to control the use of bitcoin, the simplest being to just outlaw it.

This won't work. BTC will just migrate to countries where it isn't illegal, taking millionaires with them.

Libertarian geeks who haven’t thought things through seem to think that because it will be hard to impossible to completely shut down a distributed system, that means the government can’t control it.

They can't. The point of this post was that they can't, and that we need to think of ways to escalate the situation until people start taking this seriously.

Wake up! Look at Ross Ulbricht! The fact that he conducted his illegal business with bitcoin was used against him. It protected him zero amount.

Because he failed at even the most basic opsec. If he had kept most of his coins in cold storage that he never touched, he would still have a fortune, even in prison.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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What I find most interesting about Coinbase is that they quote your selling exchange rate the moment you place a sell order. If I click "sell" right now, they lock in the $13,000 exchange rate or whatever it is. The amount that shows up in my bank days later is exactly what they quoted at the time I placed the sell order. When people start selling off, this policy is either going to drive them to bankruptcy or create…

I don't understand why it's a problem. Coinbase received $13,000 from User A and they pay it to User B. Why will Coinbase go bankrupt or customers be unhappy?

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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It is pretty funny how the original value proposition of "being your own bank" given in the bitcoin whitepaper, which is necessitated by actually possessing the private keys, has gone out the window due to convenience and a lack of understanding of the fundamental blockchain technology by speculators. Coinbase is central in these facts.

You can still be your own bank if you want, but it's much more convenient to have a centralized exchange to find other people willing to buy / sell.

You can still convert all you wealth to gold and carry it around, but it's just more convenient to use something called bank notes. The disadvantage is you have to trust the bank, or coinbase or whatever -- you know, the actual reason bitcoin was invented in the first place.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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post #204

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And it's very hard to get anyone to take this seriously. But as far as I can tell, it's a real possibility. I had to talk some sense into a friend who was saying she was fed up with being poor and was going to put her $7k life savings into bitcoin. I told her to treat it like gold, hold it, and be very careful to keep it secure. And off Coinbase. And my advice made her hesitate, and now she missed the 100% growth ove…

Holy crap, there is a top. To realize these gains, owners of bitcoins are going to have to convert back to fiat. US dollars have a built in floor as government issued fiat, which is that they are required to pay taxes. The money supply of a country is a precious resource, and the government has a responsibility, and incentive, to maintain some level of control. Look how serious the Secret Service is about counterfeit…

There will always be black market crypto exchanges. Bitcoin will drive the underground economy for sure. It may also act as a global hedge for people in unstable countries.

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that crypto currencies are really just starting and there is a very high ceiling Starting at what? What is the value proposition that is actually in play here, for which there is some hard evidence of it's existence, other than a speculative frenzy? It's a bit galling how many people this go 'round are just outright saying "yeah, it's a ponzi, come on guys hop on! there's a high ceiling! hope you get your chair when…

If you think that some future economy will run on cryptocurrency (not totally far fetched IMO) and that currency will have network effects (I don't really see this yet, apart from deflation via speculation, which will stop eventually, it's not stable) then there's a possibility of a winner takes all outcome. But it's very easy to doubt any specific currency will be the final winner.

Even in that case the price/market cap is getting absurd. The nominal market cap of Bitcoin is like 1/10th the US money supply (M1) and 1/20th the total gold supply. And people on these threads are still saying they think it has another 100x or more in it!

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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With the wild price swings, Bitcoin has practically no value as anything other than a speculative investment.

Are any of these people downloading Coinbase and buying coins really interested in transacting in Bitcoin or are they just buying Beanie Babies?

Although, as someone who thought the bubble would burst at $1,000, I'm quite impressed at how much interest it has garnered. I just don't seeing it end well for many people.

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