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Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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It is pretty funny how the original value proposition of "being your own bank" given in the bitcoin whitepaper, which is necessitated by actually possessing the private keys, has gone out the window due to convenience and a lack of understanding of the fundamental blockchain technology by speculators. Coinbase is central in these facts.

It's not so much that they don't understand, but rather that they don't care. People can buy Bitcoin for fun or to try to make money without believing in the ideology that was originally used to justify it.

Which is why I got out of bitcoin.

There's literally nothing special about bitcoin, apart from its decentralised nature.

Other than that, it's just a big ledger. No different from virtually any other database. It's special because it's decentralised.

The way people use bitcoin however, completely reverses that and is extremely geared towards use of centralised parties. It's as if we built solar panels to generate electricity with which we heat up our oceans, causing ice caps to melt and global warming to occur. It's a bit of a joke.

We're now all valuing a system, above other systems, for its unique decentralised properties, while subsequently throwing that out the window, yet still expecting this system to be uniquely valuable. We're all introducing trust into a trustless system, and paying intermediaries and middlemen a cut in the process.

That's fine for other investments, e.g. productive assets that are valuable for other reasons. But it's not fine for an investment into something that's valuable because it's trustless, decentralised and disintermediating.

There's some nuance I'm leaving out of course, you can argue against this post, but by and large you can't ignore this massive disconnect between bitcoin's value proposition and bitcoin's reality. Nor can you argue anymore, like we used to, that it's just a phase. If anything, there's less and less regard for personally run wallets, personal nodes, personal mining, personal transactions, and an increase in use of centralised parties, with centralised wallet providers, cloud and company mining, transaction processors etc.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Feel free to implement your code changes on the alt of your choice. Bitcoin node users remain unaffected. It's over right? The whole attempt to sideline the bitcoin development team failed, and now that uncertainty has been removed, the price of bitcoin is skyrocketing. That's because bitcoin is valuable for what it is, not for unproven use-cases that decrease bitcoin security. We will get to those use-cases through…

The Bitcoin community I once knew is truly dead, if making purchases is an "unproven use-case" and the desire to do so on other chains is met with such hostility. Fortunately among the other cryptocurrencies are communities that have not yet been compromised by greed.

You should invest in litecoin. They have had the blockspace you're looking for for years.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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While coinbase & BTC seems to be doing well, I've anecdotally seen a bunch of people who can't get a response from coinbase support over long periods of time. Doesn't make relying on coinbase seem like a good idea.

Other stories: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6933360 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5427985 4 years ago they had a problem with customer service and the situation does not appear to have improved: > When it takes a public outcry on HN for a company to do their job, I no longer deal with such a company. Simple as that. I don't care if you raised $25 million - if you can't treat your users fairly, you…

>> When it takes a public outcry on HN for a company to do their job, I no longer deal with such a company. Simple as that. I don't care if you raised $25 million - if you can't treat your users fairly, you deserve neither.

I wonder if that applies to Google too, the most famous company for which you need to get on the HN frontpage to actually reach someone there.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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And that's a huge indicator of why blockchain finance is attractive. The banking system is AWFUL. Exchanges are bridges between banks and blockchains, and it's quite reasonable to want to keep your money in cryptocurrency just for technical usability reasons. I can send cryptocurrency from a shell script -- that's not going to work with bank money in a million years, or if it does it's going to be because of the comp…

You can do that with Monzo already

Looks neat, but it'll be years before that's widely available worldwide. Monzo has a waiting list and probably don't offer business accounts. Blockchains right now enable everyone in the world to open however many "accounts" they want instantly.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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post #132

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While coinbase & BTC seems to be doing well, I've anecdotally seen a bunch of people who can't get a response from coinbase support over long periods of time. Doesn't make relying on coinbase seem like a good idea.

Other stories: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6933360 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=5427985 4 years ago they had a problem with customer service and the situation does not appear to have improved: > When it takes a public outcry on HN for a company to do their job, I no longer deal with such a company. Simple as that. I don't care if you raised $25 million - if you can't treat your users fairly, you…

How do you do customer service when you get 100K new users / day though?

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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Coinbase seems to be the quintessential "sell shovels during a gold rush" company. Definitely provides a good case study about how to create a successful business during new industry booms.

In my opinion, selling the miner hardware is more like selling the shovels. Coinbase is more like the laundry service. I'm sure someone else can poke holes in this as well. =)

Let's be careful when taking about any kind of laundering when discussing Bitcoin :-)

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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post #2

Coinbase seems to be the quintessential "sell shovels during a gold rush" company. Definitely provides a good case study about how to create a successful business during new industry booms.

Coinbase is the one that buys and sells gold though, they don't provide the miners or (personal) wallets. Incorrect analogy. The shovel sellers are the parties that sell mining hardware, GPU's and ASICs.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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post #88

It is pretty funny how the original value proposition of "being your own bank" given in the bitcoin whitepaper, which is necessitated by actually possessing the private keys, has gone out the window due to convenience and a lack of understanding of the fundamental blockchain technology by speculators. Coinbase is central in these facts.

You can still be your own bank if you want, but it's much more convenient to have a centralized exchange to find other people willing to buy / sell.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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post #28

Most interesting thing I learned from this article: Brian Armstrong, Coinbase CEO, "said he now holds more of his wealth in a Bitcoin competitor, Ether"

Not surprising; Coinbase (iirc) was one of the exchanges that traded Ether early on, and it went up by 4500% over the past year, vs 1500% for Bitcoin. (bit more if you consider the Bitcoin Cash fork). Ergo if he was able to invest a wad of cash into ETH early on, the gains would be a lot higher.

Re: Coinbase: The Heart of the Bitcoin Frenzy

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> No company had made it simpler to sign up, link a bank account or debit card, and begin buying Bitcoin. Actually, I think it is still too difficult. I mean it is not that difficult, but if you had to send every e-commerce shop a photo of your driver license just to buy something there would be a lot fewer people buying stuff online.

It's not an e-commerce shop, it's an online exchange dealing in financial products, one that has often been associated with illegal activities like drug dealing, tax evasion, etc. They have to play nice with the IRS because people using coinbase don't realize that any gains they make from it is taxable and/or should be auditable.
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