Note that the AP claims to have a recording of the sound believed by some to be the cause: https://apnews.com/88bb914f8b284088bce48e54f6736d84
Sounds like crickets you typically hear in Cuba.
Brain abnormalities found in victims of US embassy attack in Cuba
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Re: Brain abnormalities found in victims of US embassy attack in Cuba
#62Earlier quoted context omitted.
I wonder if the injuries are consistent with the "microwave transmitter" theory that's been floated.
You'd think that anything involving non-ionizing EM radiation would produce symptoms consistent with...cooking.
It would be, although it can still be pretty weird. Damage can obviously occur far below "cooking" temperature, and it would happen below the surface- in the fattier part of the brain.
However you'd expect damage to the eyes first, since they have virtually no blood flow and are extremely vulnerable to heating. I think its way more likely that drugs are the cause of any negative effects, and while sound might have been involved it's probably related to something else.
Re: Brain abnormalities found in victims of US embassy attack in Cuba
#63I think it's interesting that this was immediately framed as an "attack," with of course the implication being that the Cuban government attacked American diplomats, since Cuba has so much to lose from attacking diplomats and literally nothing to gain.
Maybe you should read some books about Cuba, the USSR, their leaders, and the twentieth century Communist movement.
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#64Earlier quoted context omitted.
That was a rejected proposal. (There are probably all kinds of crazy military proposals that get rejected)
Going to war with Spain over the USS Maine's magazine detonation of unknown cause. Though that outcome falls more on Hearst and Pulitzer. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Maine_(ACR-1)
That's one possible theory about an event that happened in the 1890's.
Re: Brain abnormalities found in victims of US embassy attack in Cuba
#65Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect This is the best bet I've seen since this story broke.
There is an actual recording of these sounds. Microwaves inducing sounds into a humans perception and at the same time inducing it in recording equipment does not seem plausible. There is also an easy way to test whether the sound is actual sound conducted in air or the effect of microwave exposure: ear plugs.
There's an actual recording of signals inducted in wires - either from soundwaves moving a magnet in a field (sound picked up by a mic), or inducted by in the wires by electromagnetic radiation, surely?
I agree it might be unlikely that one signal might induce sound in a human that sounds like the sound a recorder might record - but I don't know. I just know that it's trivial for radiation to fool sound equipment (eg: cell phone signal too close to a speaker/mic/amplifier).
However, if this is a sophisticated weapon, there might be two signals: high power that target humans, lower power that target recording equipment?
Re: Brain abnormalities found in victims of US embassy attack in Cuba
#66Earlier quoted context omitted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microwave_auditory_effect This is the best bet I've seen since this story broke.
There is an actual recording of these sounds. Microwaves inducing sounds into a humans perception and at the same time inducing it in recording equipment does not seem plausible. There is also an easy way to test whether the sound is actual sound conducted in air or the effect of microwave exposure: ear plugs.
If its a high frequency wave, then you would "hear" it with the skin and other tissue on your head rather than your actual ears. Earplugs wouldnt really help.
How it works: you can hear a high frequency wave if its modulated at audible frequency. If it's switched on and off at a relatively low frequency, you can sense the presence and absence of the high-frequency vibrations. Those waves are poorly absorbed from the air, but once they make it into the body they are transmitted much more easily by tissues besides bone. So your ears are not much better than the rest of your skin, which acts like a funnel for sound, diverting it to your cochlea.
Re: Brain abnormalities found in victims of US embassy attack in Cuba
#67Sounds like they were poisoned
I think its ridiculous that this is being voted down. Heres the situation:
1. Diplomats are experiencing weird physical symptoms.
2. Diplomats are claiming to hear a noise.
Yeah, its suspicious, but there still isnt much tying the two together besides the fact that they happen around the same time. Even if they are related, thats still not a good reason to believe 2 is causing 1- its just as plausible to believe there is some kind of surveillance causing the noise and a drug related attack is also being carried out. IMO (and I have experience with high frequency in-air sound) its far more likely than a sonic or EM attack causing the symptoms, but it is at least as plausible.
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#68Pure amateur speculation here, especially given the lack of facts, but I wanted to bring up these two studies here on white matter changes.
https://utdallas.edu/~sxv140030/Published/134.pdf
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3496540/
Could be possible an unknown infectious vector altering gene expression on the central nervous system?
Re: Brain abnormalities found in victims of US embassy attack in Cuba
#69Earlier quoted context omitted.
What about multiple devices where their respective waves converge at a specific point?
Ultrasonic waves are attenuated at a rate of 3-180 dB/m[1] (100-1000 kHz waves). So at 10 m a 150 kHz wave will have decreased in amplitude by over 300x. There's no amount of transmitters that can make up for the attenuation at high frequencies. It's not even possible for devices operating above a couple hundred kHz or farther than 10-20 m. A 500 kHz wave will decrease 200 dB over 5 meters, taking it from a shockwave…
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Re: Brain abnormalities found in victims of US embassy attack in Cuba
#70This is such a fascinating (and disturbing) situation. And quite mysterious. High frequency ultrasound is used routinely in medicine and has never been shown to change brain tissue. Infrasound has some effect on tissue but its probably overstated. (the infamous 'brown note' [1]. Other sonic weapons rely on volume/amplitude. None of this seems to be the case here. Another really interesting point is the description of…
Can something activate the perception of the sound in the brain, maybe a high intensity ultrasound or another frequency that with enough intensity would activate the hairs in the inner ear or the nerve signals. For something to cause brain damage through the skin and skull bone it would have to be pretty intense I would imagine...
Yes, microwave energy can do pretty much exactly what you're saying, and perhaps other forms of radiation could directly activate nerves as well. It's also possible that if the brain damage includes auditory processing then it could be phantom sounds. It's too many options, too little evidence, but microwaves seem like a good culprit. It doesn't seem too far-fetched that such a system could induce something like a "recording" as well, or that recording could be coincidental.
If they had devices in the embassy which required maybe intersecting "beams" of microwaves to power up and transmit, and something went wrong...