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Re: Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Human Intelligence

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Post by 52-6F-62 »

bpicolo wrote: post #18
olalonde wrote: post #3

The quality of this journal is mind boggling.

Programmed frontend demos here and in places like news sites can be used to great effect. I how one could increase accessibility of these sorts of widgets to non-programmers? Deeplearning is a bit out of scope for that, but interesting graphics have a bunch of other uses.

Processing.js[0] might be a good start? Or maybe Paper.js[1]. Possibly including Tween.js, or something else[2]. It wouldn't be a memory-conscious thing at the outset (without investing much more work), but if there was a more convenient layer overtop of one of those, or a combination, as a drop-in widget that can be customized by some simple UI or much more rudimentary scripting as something possibly embeddable or native to a blog or news platform might cut it.

Sounds like a good idea. IIRC D3 came out of the NYT? Of course that was rather programmer-centric, but similar root need seems to have inspired it.

[0] http://processingjs.org/ [1] http://paperjs.org/ [2] https://www.createjs.com

Re: Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Human Intelligence

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Post by bpicolo »

52-6F-62 wrote: post #21
bpicolo wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Programmed frontend demos here and in places like news sites can be used to great effect. I how one could increase accessibility of these sorts of widgets to non-programmers? Deeplearning is a bit out of scope for that, but interesting graphics have a bunch of other uses.

Processing.js[0] might be a good start? Or maybe Paper.js[1]. Possibly including Tween.js, or something else[2]. It wouldn't be a memory-conscious thing at the outset (without investing much more work), but if there was a more convenient layer overtop of one of those, or a combination, as a drop-in widget that can be customized by some simple UI or much more rudimentary scripting as something possibly embeddable or n…

I imagine some sort of excel-like tabular data -> charts with sliders and filters could work pretty well as a starting point.

Take a BI tool and trim all of the fat. All the BI tools in existence right now go hard on enterprise targeting, and they have all of the complexities involved in that.

Re: Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Human Intelligence

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Post by sctb »

abcd_f wrote: post #7
rememberlenny wrote: post #5

My work is very relevant here. I'm a graffiti artist and a programmer. I started using machine learning techniques to augment street art with various nature landscapes (drone images, rolling hills, etc). By using simple techniques, such as Style Transfer, I have been able to create some interesting images that are aesthetically pleasing, but unusual. I took the digital results and painted the contents on large canvas…

Dude. You can't be serious about bastardizing stunningly detailed 9th Wave by Aivazovsky and calling it "Process for turning classic paintings into beautiful color muses." That's like making a confetti from the Mona Lisa with a hole puncher. https://cdn-images-1.medium.com/max/2000/1*sph_3TactpBHo_mZ-... Original for reference - https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/4/4a/Hovhanne...

This is an uncivil, low-effort dismissal. Hacker News doesn't need any of those, so could you please not post them?

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Human Intelligence

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Post by visarga »

tw1010 wrote: post #9
rememberlenny wrote: post #5

My work is very relevant here. I'm a graffiti artist and a programmer. I started using machine learning techniques to augment street art with various nature landscapes (drone images, rolling hills, etc). By using simple techniques, such as Style Transfer, I have been able to create some interesting images that are aesthetically pleasing, but unusual. I took the digital results and painted the contents on large canvas…

When people say "but will AI ever be able to produce art?" I think works like yours is a good thing to point to. In the end, whatever art will be produced by machines is somehow going to be initiated by a human hand. Your work makes it trivially clear that the answer to the question is (1) yes, and in fact they already are, but (2) there is still going to be a person who will need to use his or her personal taste to…

Instead of painting, selecting pics generated by a neural net? Anyone could do that. Or, probably, there's an app for that.

Re: Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Human Intelligence

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Post by Toast_25 »

fsloth wrote: post #15
rememberlenny wrote: post #5

My work is very relevant here. I'm a graffiti artist and a programmer. I started using machine learning techniques to augment street art with various nature landscapes (drone images, rolling hills, etc). By using simple techniques, such as Style Transfer, I have been able to create some interesting images that are aesthetically pleasing, but unusual. I took the digital results and painted the contents on large canvas…

Please take the following as a form of intellectual sparring, and spoken loud hypotheses about art theory. "I processed pictures using the Artistic Style Transfer algorithm and then painted them." Isn't that just effectively painting by numbers? Autotune for visual arts... and it's not interesting once one learns to percieve the effect. The problem is that one takes a less interesting input domain, and runs it throug…

I get the feeling you didn't read the article rememberinglenny posted about his techniques, or maybe you haven't painted or drawn before.

While he does transfer styles from one domain to another digitally, it doesn't end there. He uses the generated images as a basis for physical paintings. For this to be possible a degree of skill is necessary. For example, try drawing yourself using a mirror and your output will be greatly different despite having a perfect model in front of you.

I don't agree with your last paragraph. That's like saying that because C is a very well documented language, programs made with it are trivial. What we do with the tools we have and the experience gained by practice is what makes something "magical", as well as the message it conveys. This last element, the transmission of the message, is highly dependent on the individual who experiences art. Which means that no piece of art is for everybody.

Finally, I agree with what brudgers said: > Saying "I could have made that" is false in the context of art. If a person could have they would have. If they didn't, they can't. The proof is in the work.

Re: Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Human Intelligence

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Post by Toast_25 »

visarga wrote: post #24
tw1010 wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When people say "but will AI ever be able to produce art?" I think works like yours is a good thing to point to. In the end, whatever art will be produced by machines is somehow going to be initiated by a human hand. Your work makes it trivially clear that the answer to the question is (1) yes, and in fact they already are, but (2) there is still going to be a person who will need to use his or her personal taste to…

Instead of painting, selecting pics generated by a neural net? Anyone could do that. Or, probably, there's an app for that.

Read the article that describes his technique.

Re: Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Human Intelligence

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Post by [deleted] »

fsloth wrote: post #15
rememberlenny wrote: post #5

My work is very relevant here. I'm a graffiti artist and a programmer. I started using machine learning techniques to augment street art with various nature landscapes (drone images, rolling hills, etc). By using simple techniques, such as Style Transfer, I have been able to create some interesting images that are aesthetically pleasing, but unusual. I took the digital results and painted the contents on large canvas…

Please take the following as a form of intellectual sparring, and spoken loud hypotheses about art theory. "I processed pictures using the Artistic Style Transfer algorithm and then painted them." Isn't that just effectively painting by numbers? Autotune for visual arts... and it's not interesting once one learns to percieve the effect. The problem is that one takes a less interesting input domain, and runs it throug…

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Re: Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Human Intelligence

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Post by theoh »

brudgers wrote: post #19
fsloth wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please take the following as a form of intellectual sparring, and spoken loud hypotheses about art theory. "I processed pictures using the Artistic Style Transfer algorithm and then painted them." Isn't that just effectively painting by numbers? Autotune for visual arts... and it's not interesting once one learns to percieve the effect. The problem is that one takes a less interesting input domain, and runs it throug…

Honest intellectual sparring over art comes in the form of art. Saying "I could have made that" is false in the context of art. If a person could have they would have. If they didn't, they can't. The proof is in the work.

That's ridiculous. Every artist has to make choices -- they can't pursue every avenue of creative development. Not everyone brings all their potentials to fruition. Opportunity costs.

To say "unless you have already done x, you cannot do x" is a mind-bogglingly wrong perspective to take.

Many people are capable of coming up with, for example, witty, plausible conceptual art ideas. Generally they don't pursue it because only a few famous players can make a living that way. In addition, there are the dynamics of charisma to consider: a successful artist needs to sell themselves, to persuade an audience that their work has value. It generally takes a level of narcissism to achieve that. All of that hype and marketing is peripheral to the ability to actually make the work.

Re: Using Artificial Intelligence to Augment Human Intelligence

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Post by Houshalter »

brudgers wrote: post #19
fsloth wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please take the following as a form of intellectual sparring, and spoken loud hypotheses about art theory. "I processed pictures using the Artistic Style Transfer algorithm and then painted them." Isn't that just effectively painting by numbers? Autotune for visual arts... and it's not interesting once one learns to percieve the effect. The problem is that one takes a less interesting input domain, and runs it throug…

Honest intellectual sparring over art comes in the form of art. Saying "I could have made that" is false in the context of art. If a person could have they would have. If they didn't, they can't. The proof is in the work.

>If a person could have they would have.

This is a very weird belief. Why would I create a piece of art I don't think is interesting?

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