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Re: Shouting ‘pay your taxes,’ activists occupy Apple retail stores across France

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Post by StudentStuff » Mon, Dec 04, 2017, 10:01 AM UTC

dandermotj wrote: post #149

soVeryTired wrote: post #139

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Complying with the letter of the law. Not the spirit.

Breaking the spirit of the law, but not the letter.

In most courts, that is a crime. French courts tend to look primarily at the spirit of the law itself, rather than precedent and arguments over the letter of it to see how it should be enforced, unlike English style legal system where precedent and minor word choices can make or break the implementation of a law.

Its a very practical and approachable court system for the common person comparatively.

Re: Shouting ‘pay your taxes,’ activists occupy Apple retail stores across France

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Post by sharemywin » Mon, Dec 04, 2017, 2:49 PM UTC

hueving wrote: post #172

nojvek wrote: post #131

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And pay more taxes while the rich get giant cuts

Doubling the standard deduction results in tax breaks for the working class.

smoke and mirrors:

More than 60% of U.S. households would get tax cuts from the Senate Republican tax plan in 2019, while 8% would pay more, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation.

By 2027, after the individual tax cuts EXPIRE, most households would see little effect, as 61% would have either tax increases or tax cuts below $100. In that year, 16% of households would have tax cuts exceeding $100 while 23% would pay more.

Re: Shouting ‘pay your taxes,’ activists occupy Apple retail stores across France

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Post by mrguyorama » Mon, Dec 04, 2017, 8:02 PM UTC

sharemywin wrote: post #202

hueving wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Doubling the standard deduction results in tax breaks for the working class.

smoke and mirrors: More than 60% of U.S. households would get tax cuts from the Senate Republican tax plan in 2019, while 8% would pay more, according to the nonpartisan Joint Committee on Taxation. By 2027, after the individual tax cuts EXPIRE, most households would see little effect, as 61% would have either tax increases or tax cuts below $100. In that year, 16% of households would have tax cuts exceeding $100 whi…

That's not even the important part. I don't care if I'm paying a sliver less taxes, because it's all being paid for by ballooning the deficit, and higher earners are getting a larger share of that anyway. Why should I care that I'm saving 5% on taxes while those making 100x my income suddenly save 15%, when their effective tax rate was already low?

This is completely besides the fact that I find taxes to be a good thing, seeing as the only reason I even have a future is through publicly funded programs that helped pay for my education and subsidize the small town I grew up in and even my entire state. I'm plenty glad to pay back what the USA invested in me

Re: Shouting ‘pay your taxes,’ activists occupy Apple retail stores across France

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Post by PhasmaFelis » Tue, Dec 05, 2017, 8:42 AM UTC

innocentoldguy wrote: post #189

PhasmaFelis wrote: post #164

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The comment I was replying to said "Apple is paying the taxes it is legally responsible to pay. End of story." My point is that it definitely wasn't the end of the story.

But it really is, isn’t it? Apple thought they paid their taxes and France disagreed. This happens all the time, even on personal levels.

On a personal level, sure. It seems rather optimistic to assume that a Fortune 10 corporation messed up its taxes in its favor by accident.

Re: Shouting ‘pay your taxes,’ activists occupy Apple retail stores across France

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Post by nv-vn » Tue, Dec 12, 2017, 4:21 AM UTC

jinglebells wrote: post #193

nv-vn wrote: post #52

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Why shouldn't you avoid paying taxes? If it's legal and you get to make more money, I don't see the issue. Especially if you're using that money to make more positive change than the government could.

Fine if you don't use roads or the internet or anything else which was funded from tax payers money.

But I don't lose the benefit by not paying taxes. Plus those are only tiny percentages, which could easily be afforded from only 1% of your current tax rate.