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Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above (2016)

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Post by meri_dian »

mcny wrote: post #27
meri_dian wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They're doing it because knowledge is power. And power in a dangerous world is necessary to keep us all safe. We need to worry about keeping the government focused on protecting us from the right things, not destroying its ability to protect us.

> They're doing it because knowledge is power. And power in a dangerous world is necessary to keep us all safe. But the world is safer than ever before. It isn't a dangerous world. It is the safest world we know of... I think we are at least partially at fault here. We demand action everytime the is a tragedy but perhaps sometimes the best course of action is to stay the course with no change in plan. I don't know. I…

It is safe relative to some lawless past, but crime still occurs. You as a law abiding citizen just don't come in contact with it very often. The people defending you and the nation from criminals do. Don't be naive in thinking that just because you can't see it, it isn't there.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above (2016)

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Post by lovich »

meri_dian wrote: post #31
mcny wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> They're doing it because knowledge is power. And power in a dangerous world is necessary to keep us all safe. But the world is safer than ever before. It isn't a dangerous world. It is the safest world we know of... I think we are at least partially at fault here. We demand action everytime the is a tragedy but perhaps sometimes the best course of action is to stay the course with no change in plan. I don't know. I…

It is safe relative to some lawless past, but crime still occurs. You as a law abiding citizen just don't come in contact with it very often. The people defending you and the nation from criminals do. Don't be naive in thinking that just because you can't see it, it isn't there.

I wouldn't call the 80's some lawless past under anything but the most strict definition of past, and we're much safer now than we were then.

The authorities are becoming more of a danger than any criminal as well. This is shown directly with assets stolen under civil forfeiture rules being greater than assets stolen by criminals in the US. Anecdotally, even in the bad neighborhoods I've lived in where I wouldn't go outside at night, the worst I would expect from a criminal is a mugging or beating. With cops I have to worry about that as well as being put in jail and possibly having my life ruined depending on what they decide to charge me with.

I don't really see the cops or FBI as defending me or anyone else from criminals. At this point they are just one group of criminals fighting other groups of criminals for dominance

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above (2016)

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Post by Houshalter »

spy_sat wrote: post #25
wjn0 wrote: post #20

Looking at the map, outside the big cities, it seems mostly concentrated on highways. Does anyone know if it's realistic for a plane flying a mile high to grab, say, license plates and driver photos? Would this be legal? How close to the highway on the map would they have to be, hypothetically?

I don't have any doubts. The BBC reported, in 2014, that spy satellites had a 10cm resolution. This is good enough to see if you are holding a cell phone or not.

Sure, but you have to zoom in on one car at a time. You can't just mass collect the plates on every car in the city instantly.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above (2016)

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Post by Houshalter »

StanislavPetrov wrote: post #11
emveeoh wrote: post #4

This seems like a reasonable way to police. My only issue is if the drones can be 'heard' flying over a location. For example, buzzing over a specific house or business. Neighbors would automatically assume danger or guilt. If they drone, they should stay out of ear-range from anyone on the ground. Nobody should hear surveillance.

What, then, is an unreasonable way to police? Is it okay with you that many of these flights have infrared and other technology that lets agents of the state monitor and listen to you in your own home, in addition to ubiquitous tracking? If the enforcement of law is all that matters, why stop at 24/7 surveillance of all people, all the time? Without freedom and privacy, what good is the law? If physical safety is you…

I have no problem with surveillance if it stops crime. Private surveillance cameras are already pretty much everywhere and no one seems to mind. My ideal form of surveillance would be passive though. The data would be recorded, but no human would have access to it without something like a search warrant. And everything would be deleted after a week. Just like with private surveillance cameras.

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above (2016)

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Post by meri_dian »

lovich wrote: post #33
meri_dian wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is safe relative to some lawless past, but crime still occurs. You as a law abiding citizen just don't come in contact with it very often. The people defending you and the nation from criminals do. Don't be naive in thinking that just because you can't see it, it isn't there.

I wouldn't call the 80's some lawless past under anything but the most strict definition of past, and we're much safer now than we were then. The authorities are becoming more of a danger than any criminal as well. This is shown directly with assets stolen under civil forfeiture rules being greater than assets stolen by criminals in the US. Anecdotally, even in the bad neighborhoods I've lived in where I wouldn't go…

You have a very misguided view then. Unless you're committing a crime or are associated with criminals you really don't have much of anything to fear

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above (2016)

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Post by lovich »

meri_dian wrote: post #36
lovich wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't call the 80's some lawless past under anything but the most strict definition of past, and we're much safer now than we were then. The authorities are becoming more of a danger than any criminal as well. This is shown directly with assets stolen under civil forfeiture rules being greater than assets stolen by criminals in the US. Anecdotally, even in the bad neighborhoods I've lived in where I wouldn't go…

You have a very misguided view then. Unless you're committing a crime or are associated with criminals you really don't have much of anything to fear

I mean, that's provably false with all of the innocent people who end up in jail or things like civil forfeiture which are used to take money from anyone. How about the people who get attacked by cops who no knock raid the wrong house?

Saying that cops only go after criminals and their associates is a view that can only exist in ignorance of the mountain of evidence showing the opposite

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above (2016)

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Post by SockPuppeteer »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #15
ethbro wrote: post #9

Surprising how positive the initial comments here are. Do you really believe any incidental collection that isn't specifically prohibited by law (which is to say, most) doesn't end up in a database mined for unrelated reasons?

IMO it almost definitely happens, but it's bad for my mental health if I stress over everything I have no control over. Political activism has failed, and our government is practically an oligarchy at this point. To me, it's like yelling at a tornado. I can yell all I'd like, but at the end of the day, that tornado will do its thing. All I can do is either hide or move out of Tornado Alley.

There is no need to stress about surveillance nor what else you cannot control.

I like to cite the heat list (i) that utilizes artificial intelligence to determine who is most likely to be shot in a top 400 ranking system by their association with previous people who have been shot. Volunteers then reach out to these people and suggest ways to stay alive.

I still enjoy knowing that I pay for my tracking chip (cellular phone), entertainment advertising supported delivery with tracking (television), a multi step filtration system with bi-monthly checks for clean water (5gallon fill up), and roll the dice with what is in the soil that grows the food I eat.

If the ground water is not safe to drink, is the food safe to eat?

i. https://www.aclu.org/blog/privacy-technology/chicago-police-...

Re: Maps Showing Where FBI Planes Are Watching from Above (2016)

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Post by paintchipluvr »

spy_sat wrote: post #25
wjn0 wrote: post #20

Looking at the map, outside the big cities, it seems mostly concentrated on highways. Does anyone know if it's realistic for a plane flying a mile high to grab, say, license plates and driver photos? Would this be legal? How close to the highway on the map would they have to be, hypothetically?

I don't have any doubts. The BBC reported, in 2014, that spy satellites had a 10cm resolution. This is good enough to see if you are holding a cell phone or not.

Most definitely there was a very good video about lead engineer (I think) talking in front of a hexagon spy satellite from the 1970s a lot of the information on it is declassified now, but he did say that the resolution on them still was and all he could say was that in the 1970s "I could read a newspaper on a table" and that's all he'd say on the matter. imagine how far technology has come along since then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GtmtYlcPYYA The video.

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