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India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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Re: India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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If space transportation costs were to fall dramatically, would there be any commercial value in traveling to the Moon, or building a base on the moon? The only one I can think of is Tourism. Are there any others, such as rare minerals perhaps?

The Moon has a fair bit of Helium-3. It sounds like that is partly what this mission is about.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Helium-3#Extraction_from_extra...

Re: India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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Maybe provide basic supply with fresh water for the whole country first. But yeah, whatever.

Pssst, I heard the last country to land people there laughable still hasn't even made it to the level of free health care for all! They still might, of course, it's not like any of these goals are mutually exclusive.

"free" is a broad term, as someone obviously has to pay for it, either from his pocket or via taxes or whatever. Nevertheless, everybody has access to health care after all which isn´t true for India and water supply.

Re: India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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Maybe provide basic supply with fresh water for the whole country first. But yeah, whatever.

_You_ may want that. However, _India_, as the biggest democracy in the world, chose to do a moon landing instead. What makes you believe you know better about what is best? Unless you are an astrophysicist specialized in economic development (not sure that exists) odds are not in favor of your judgement being the correct one.

I don´t need to be either of that to see that a country should have an aspiration to provide a certain standard of living (water that is safe to drink, basic health care and lots alike) for everybody before landing things on the moon.

But India has a deeply fucked up society which gives a shit about people from "the bottom" of that society, so I am not really wondered that they do some publicity stunt instead of getting their country fixed.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pssst, I heard the last country to land people there laughable still hasn't even made it to the level of free health care for all! They still might, of course, it's not like any of these goals are mutually exclusive.

Free healthcare? That'd sure be amazing. Oh, you mean non-free healthcare provided by taxes, paid for by anyone earning an income and only actually free for anyone not earning an income. Anyone not earning an income in the US gets 'free' healthcare and has for decades. It's anything but free, it's very expensive. Just ask any developed nation with socialized healthcare just how free healthcare is, as they all univers…

> Anyone not earning an income in the US gets 'free' healthcare and has for decades. It's anything but free, it's very expensive.

My impression was that the only way it's "free" is if you walk into an emergency room with no money. And the fact that uninsured people can only go to emergency rooms (routine issues fester and become serious) is in part what drives up the cost.

In places like Canada the wait times are atrocious due to triaging. If your problem is serious you will get looked at immediately. If it's not, you have to wait. And if you can afford it, you're still free to go to a private clinic. But it does seem like overall health outcomes and costs are better than the US.

So...yeah it's true calling it "free" healthcare is a bit of a misnomer but no one actually thinks it costs $0 to provide. Think of free healthcare like freeways: paid for by tax money for the public good, and occasionally you'll have to pay a nominal toll (co-pay or whatever).

Re: India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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If space transportation costs were to fall dramatically, would there be any commercial value in traveling to the Moon, or building a base on the moon? The only one I can think of is Tourism. Are there any others, such as rare minerals perhaps?

Andy Weir (author of The Martian) has a new book coming out that explores tourism to the moon. He has done a ton of research on the topic, definitely worth checking out.

He was recently on StarTalk Radio [1] give it a listen

1. https://www.startalkradio.net/tag/andy-weir/

Re: India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pssst, I heard the last country to land people there laughable still hasn't even made it to the level of free health care for all! They still might, of course, it's not like any of these goals are mutually exclusive.

"free" is a broad term, as someone obviously has to pay for it, either from his pocket or via taxes or whatever. Nevertheless, everybody has access to health care after all which isn´t true for India and water supply.

Beg to disagree. If you have money in India you can get water supply. Even if you're located in a remote village with no plumbing, water trucks will deliver weekly and fill up your domestic water tank.

So...the analogy to healthcare in the US isn't too far off. If you have money and/or a good job you can get healthcare in the US and water in India (healthcare too).

Re: India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pssst, I heard the last country to land people there laughable still hasn't even made it to the level of free health care for all! They still might, of course, it's not like any of these goals are mutually exclusive.

Free healthcare? That'd sure be amazing. Oh, you mean non-free healthcare provided by taxes, paid for by anyone earning an income and only actually free for anyone not earning an income. Anyone not earning an income in the US gets 'free' healthcare and has for decades. It's anything but free, it's very expensive. Just ask any developed nation with socialized healthcare just how free healthcare is, as they all univers…

You can say that it's practically free given how much US spend for a non-free healthcare vs how much countries with universal healthcare spend.

Re: India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

_You_ may want that. However, _India_, as the biggest democracy in the world, chose to do a moon landing instead. What makes you believe you know better about what is best? Unless you are an astrophysicist specialized in economic development (not sure that exists) odds are not in favor of your judgement being the correct one.

I don´t need to be either of that to see that a country should have an aspiration to provide a certain standard of living (water that is safe to drink, basic health care and lots alike) for everybody before landing things on the moon. But India has a deeply fucked up society which gives a shit about people from "the bottom" of that society, so I am not really wondered that they do some publicity stunt instead of gett…

Yes, and the United States should cut all funding to NASA until power is restored in Puerto Rico.

Re: India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pssst, I heard the last country to land people there laughable still hasn't even made it to the level of free health care for all! They still might, of course, it's not like any of these goals are mutually exclusive.

Free healthcare? That'd sure be amazing. Oh, you mean non-free healthcare provided by taxes, paid for by anyone earning an income and only actually free for anyone not earning an income. Anyone not earning an income in the US gets 'free' healthcare and has for decades. It's anything but free, it's very expensive. Just ask any developed nation with socialized healthcare just how free healthcare is, as they all univers…

I think that "free" does generally mean that someone else paid.

Re: India is preparing to land on moon for the first time in the country's history

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Free healthcare? That'd sure be amazing. Oh, you mean non-free healthcare provided by taxes, paid for by anyone earning an income and only actually free for anyone not earning an income. Anyone not earning an income in the US gets 'free' healthcare and has for decades. It's anything but free, it's very expensive. Just ask any developed nation with socialized healthcare just how free healthcare is, as they all univers…

You can say that it's practically free given how much US spend for a non-free healthcare vs how much countries with universal healthcare spend.

It helps when another nation pays for your defense, frees up money for other things.
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