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Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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One of my favorite realizations is that more things are free when you have money. People just want your business. It’s expensive being poor.

Payday loans, credit card interest. Financing plans. Being poor is cripplingly expensive.

See for example Barbara Ehrenreich's book Nickel and Dimed: On (Not) Getting By in America

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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Instead of need-based aid, try need-blind colleges. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need-blind_admission

That's... the same concept? Need-blind admission requires need-based aid. Stanford is on Wikipedia's list, by the way.

Not exactly the same concept. Need-based admission requires need-blind aid, but not the other way around: especially for foreign students, many good US colleges need-based aid if you get an offer, but are less likely to admit you.

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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Credit cards are the one thing I can’t wrap my head around. I am not American and most of my young U.S. friends I met early in college were so excited about having a credit score of x which entitled them to more debt...

Then those young US friends were idiots. I only know people who use credit cards to get 2%+ back from their purchases, plus an interest free 20 to 45 day loan. If you're spending with a credit card more than the cash you have on hand, then you're doing it wrong. Obviously, there must be some cohort of people that pay interest, but there's no reason anyone with half a brain can't setup up autopay and earn the cash bac…

Yup. I put almost everything through CCs and pay it off weekly/bi weekly. I almost never keep a balance except on 0% interest cards which are handy for large purchases. By having a few cards and keeping your utilization low (under 15%) you'll be able to make your credit score sky rocket which is crucial for when you need a car/home loan.

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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Sure, but don’t lie about it. If it’s not need-based, don’t insist it’s need-based.

Ok, lies are unacceptable. To play devil's advocate here: the press and the public do not want to hear that tech companies pay 7 digits of monthly salary to attract some talent. Nor do they want to hear that Universities have to offer merit based scholarships to attract top students, otherwise these students will go elsewhere. Companies advertise their diversity efforts but not the salaries of their executives. Stanf…

> Stanford said what the public wanted to hear.

There's a bait and switch that colleges do. Also hospitals, but mostly colleges.

On the one hand they go out and tell people what a value driven organization it is, how their passion is making the world a better place -- when they are asking for money from people almost of whom have far less in the bank than they already do and when they are defending things like very adventagous tax rates.

On the other hand when they get caught doing something that looks unprincipled or rapacious they all of a sudden become economists lecturing you about how of course every organization acts as an interest maximizier and what are you naive?

Well maybe we were naive. But now that everyone knows what the deal is maybe they can lay off the disingenuous appeals for donations and tax expenditures. Fool me once and all that.

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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From what I know it's the latter. We had a large percentage of my graduating high school class end up at ivy league schools. It was interesting to talk to them a decade after they had graduated and were in full swing with their professional career's and life. One buddy I know who went to Princeton and ended up on Wall St told me they hound him for donations. His fraternity does the same with the emphasis on exactly w…

As a fellow Princeton grad, I think his children will indeed have a better chance than most of getting in due to their legacy status, resource rich upbringing, and those donations.

As a fellow Princeton grad and one-time admissions officer, I concur 100%.

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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The argument for diversity as a good investment: 1. With high-income whites some dumb blokes may sneak in due to privilege and winging it based on family connections, etc. This might be happening at the expense of spunky smart low income whites or blacks who worked harder and were smarter to overcome their disadvantage to get to a point where they’re in the pool of those being considered for admission into Stanford.…

> In my experience, all-white, all-Indian, all-Asian, etc. teams were always inferior in terms of the experience of working there to diverse teams. I feel like I'm missing some kind of obvious universal common-sense knowledge in having to ask this, but by what mechanism could this possibly come about?

for example if everyone on a team is from the same background, the working culture will be heavily influenced by that, which can make it harder for people from other backgrounds or cultures to join or fit in

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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A private university, especially privileging students from finance backgrounds, is about as far from communism as it gets.

Actually, no. This reveals the extent to which the US financial industry operates with similar quasi-aristocratic political dynamics - especially covert privilege based on perceived conformity and career potential - as the old Soviet Communist Party.

Aristocracy and privilege are about as far from communism as it gets.

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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Actually, no. This reveals the extent to which the US financial industry operates with similar quasi-aristocratic political dynamics - especially covert privilege based on perceived conformity and career potential - as the old Soviet Communist Party.

Aristocracy and privilege are about as far from communism as it gets.

> Aristocracy and privilege are about as far from communism as it gets.

In theory. In practice (history is full of it), the castes develop overnight. A group of individuals has to make decisions and manage the oversight and record keeping, etc. This leads to corruption and a de-facto aristocracy.

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

#139

I am surprised people are surprised by this. I went to B school over twenty years ago, and my experience was after I applied and was accepted and passed on going, they offered a scholarship. It was clear it had nothing to do with need, they wete just trying to persuade me to go. Tuition amounts are just sticker prices that you can negotiate down based on your bargaining power. If you don't know that you don't belong…

When a business person lies about a product he is being unethical and committing fraud.

Are people surprised that other people and institutions commit fraud and lie? No. No one is surprised. However when a criminal commits a crime, people react in kind.

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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It is somewhat amusing that they give scholarships to people with financial industry background, who are the least in need, and who will receive the highest salaries on exit - and then claim that their scholarships are need based. At least they are teaching their students the ethics they need to succeed in the financial industry.

Companies can have both a diversity policy and a policy to make sure the top talents don't go elsewhere. University too, can have a diversity policy as well as a merit policy. To compete and attract the best students, University must either provide merit based scholarship, or organize with other universities to get rid of merit based scholarships everywhere (cartel!)

>Companies can have both a diversity policy and a policy to make sure the top talents don't go elsewhere.

Those should be one policy, the diversity policy is about making sure top talent doesn't go elsewhere . . . your comment implies that people from "diverse" backgrounds are not top talent, whether that's what you meant or not.

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