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IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

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Re: IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

#21
I read this on the weekend just before I wanted to adopt IronPython into our company. It was supposed to make C# obsolete.

Well.. what can I say. It sucks to use any M$ tech. I should stick to OSX and Linux and leave my current employer due to strict use of M$ tech.

Sorry to say that man, but your story reads just like that to me.

I want to thank you for your great work, though. And I wish you all the best for your NY future(;

Re: IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

#22
post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> There's a minimsft.blogspot.com, but is there an equivalent for Apple? For Google? If so, are they as well known? Do they draw knowledgeable commenters from within the ranks of the host/target company? Every corporation sucks in some way ... and if there isn't a minimsft equivalent for Google/Apple ... that's a point in Microsoft's favor.

Sorry, but your post is complete nonsense. In my experience, all medium and large organizations in this industry have a very unique culture that affects everything they do. For better or worse, there's nothing like working at Microsoft. Personally, having the valuable opportunity to see it up close, I would never work there and I'm not surprised to read the accounts of those who have worked there.

> For better or worse, there's nothing like working at Microsoft ... I would never work there

Dude, those 2 sentences contradict each other ... you either worked there and know what you're talking about, or not.

Re: IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

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post #2

Possibly off-topic. "However, a year ago the team shrunk by half and our agility was severely limited. I’m omitting the internal reasons for this, as they are the typical big-company middle-management issues every software developer has." This is one of the things that can happen to you when you work at Microsoft. You can start thinking that the terrible work problems you face are both "typical big-company...issues"…

This is probably the key point:

Also, Jason Zander runs the Visual Studio team, which IronRuby, IronPython, and the DLR happen to be a part of, and is a big proponent of these dynamic languages efforts

Sounds like they are collateral damage of senior management turf wars. This can happen at any company.

How do you think the Pink or Copland guys felt at Apple when their project was canned? Or the Google team who worked on Wave or Orkut...?

Re: IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

#24
post #21

I read this on the weekend just before I wanted to adopt IronPython into our company. It was supposed to make C# obsolete. Well.. what can I say. It sucks to use any M$ tech. I should stick to OSX and Linux and leave my current employer due to strict use of M$ tech. Sorry to say that man, but your story reads just like that to me. I want to thank you for your great work, though. And I wish you all the best for your N…

IronRuby was never supposed to make c# obsolete

Re: IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

#25
post #21

I read this on the weekend just before I wanted to adopt IronPython into our company. It was supposed to make C# obsolete. Well.. what can I say. It sucks to use any M$ tech. I should stick to OSX and Linux and leave my current employer due to strict use of M$ tech. Sorry to say that man, but your story reads just like that to me. I want to thank you for your great work, though. And I wish you all the best for your N…

IronRuby was never supposed to make c# obsolete

I think he meant that IronRuby was supposed to replace C# in his company.

Re: IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

#26
post #9

Interesting that he's going to a financial technology consulting firm whose products include algorithmic trading. It seems like that would be one of the last spaces to be interested in a dynamic scripting language versus pure speed.

It seems like that would be one of the last spaces to be interested in a dynamic scripting language versus pure speed.

Game developers learned the trick, a while back, of writing things like low-level graphics engines in C/C++, and then high-level control/flow/UI/plugin systems/etc. in "slow"-to-run but "fast"-to-develop-in languages. I wouldn't be surprised in the slightest if there were also plenty of tasks in the finance world which need code, but don't need hand-optimized-down-to-the-individual-instructions performance.

Re: IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

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post #4
post #2

Possibly off-topic. "However, a year ago the team shrunk by half and our agility was severely limited. I’m omitting the internal reasons for this, as they are the typical big-company middle-management issues every software developer has." This is one of the things that can happen to you when you work at Microsoft. You can start thinking that the terrible work problems you face are both "typical big-company...issues"…

> There's a minimsft.blogspot.com, but is there an equivalent for Apple? For Google? If so, are they as well known? Do they draw knowledgeable commenters from within the ranks of the host/target company? Every corporation sucks in some way ... and if there isn't a minimsft equivalent for Google/Apple ... that's a point in Microsoft's favor.

> if there isn't a minimsft equivalent for Google/Apple ... that's a point in Microsoft's favor.

How can you possibly arrive at this conclusion? Are you implying Apple and Google censor and/or brainwash their workforce to think they are perfectly happy?

Re: IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

#29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, but your post is complete nonsense. In my experience, all medium and large organizations in this industry have a very unique culture that affects everything they do. For better or worse, there's nothing like working at Microsoft. Personally, having the valuable opportunity to see it up close, I would never work there and I'm not surprised to read the accounts of those who have worked there.

> For better or worse, there's nothing like working at Microsoft ... I would never work there Dude, those 2 sentences contradict each other ... you either worked there and know what you're talking about, or not.

Did you miss the "having the valuable opportunity to see it up close" part?

Re: IronRuby Manager Leaves Microsoft

#30
post #7

I am heartbroken to hear this. .Net, the Dynamic Language Runtime, IronPython and IronRuby are incredibly awesome technologies and if instead of embracing the cool aspects, Microsoft will focus only on the boring enterprisey bits in the future I'll have no choice but stop being a .Net developer and switch to something else. Which would be a shame because I really like those technologies.

You could always write VBA-style macros in JS on Windows Office Live.

I appreciate the fine sarcasm of your post.
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