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Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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> Last year, 12 percent of Stanford MBA graduates were hired by private equity firms, with a median starting salary of $177,500, the article said. Venture capital companies hired 7 percent of them, and paid a median salary $167,500 to the beginners. Wow.. I chose the wrong career track.

In fairness that’s basically what FB/Google pays new grad SWEs with competing offers.

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Well, Stanford has a need for future rich donors. Perhaps that’s the need being met?

I'm sure people have done studies. Who donates more money? The poor kids who struggled through life and attended Stanfurd that finallyed opened the doors for him to become rich? Or the blue blood with the silver spoon who would have made it through daddy's connections regardless of which school he went to? I feel the former has stronger gratitude for his school.

Some don't donate due to gratitude, some donate to increase the chances their children will get in, and/or otherwise obtain social signals or networking benefits that can be used to further oneself.

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Or get her into Stanford, where she'll get a $170,000 starting salary after four years, and can buy a rather pretty new car every quarter.

Stanford undergrads do not make 170k base salary after graduation. Please read the article, it was talking about MBAs, specifically "12 percent of Stanford MBA graduates were hired by private equity firms, with a median starting salary of $177,500, the article said".

But she will rub shoulders with others who are well connected and/or are likelier to have higher warning power going forward. College is important because of the network you make, not the learning, which is why exclusivity is important (for top level schools like Stanford, easily worth the sticker price).

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> Last year, 12 percent of Stanford MBA graduates were hired by private equity firms, with a median starting salary of $177,500, the article said. Venture capital companies hired 7 percent of them, and paid a median salary $167,500 to the beginners. Wow.. I chose the wrong career track.

you forgot how much a Stanford MBA puts you in debt..

Less than $160k, that's for sure. Say whatever you have to in order to make yourself feel better.

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Payday loans, credit card interest. Financing plans. Being poor is cripplingly expensive.

Credit cards are the one thing I can’t wrap my head around. I am not American and most of my young U.S. friends I met early in college were so excited about having a credit score of x which entitled them to more debt...

Then those young US friends were idiots.

I only know people who use credit cards to get 2%+ back from their purchases, plus an interest free 20 to 45 day loan. If you're spending with a credit card more than the cash you have on hand, then you're doing it wrong. Obviously, there must be some cohort of people that pay interest, but there's no reason anyone with half a brain can't setup up autopay and earn the cash back benefits and rental car/travel insurance benefits without paying any interest at all.

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Our society is culturally configured to promote lying here. Instead of addressing the issue openly like adults, people decide to operate covertly, driven by competition and fear of missing out. It'll be nice when we start to culturally grow up a bit and begin trusting the world. Collaboration/hybridization is much quicker than competition when it comes to genetic evolution & I suspect the same holds for cultural evol…

One issue I think we need to address is how society basically judges things based on sound-bite descriptions of them. This is an area where I think IT can contribute, by trying to find ways to bias our communication technologies against such practices.

I think this is a result of design methodologies and motivations geared toward talking advantage of human attention instead of respecting/cultivating it.

We need a design theory based on mindfulness.

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Sure, but don’t lie about it. If it’s not need-based, don’t insist it’s need-based.

Ok, lies are unacceptable. To play devil's advocate here: the press and the public do not want to hear that tech companies pay 7 digits of monthly salary to attract some talent. Nor do they want to hear that Universities have to offer merit based scholarships to attract top students, otherwise these students will go elsewhere. Companies advertise their diversity efforts but not the salaries of their executives. Stanf…

How can any individual claim to 'know' what the press and public want to hear? This is a comically self serving assertion and anyone making this kind of claim is acting in a political and manipulative manner.

This is the best apologism for a liar, because apparently that's what the person lied to 'wanted to hear', according to the liar.

Integrity does not depend on what people want to hear. Stanford can articulate their view point and do their own thing. Lying betrays a lack of belief in their view point and a lack of integrity.

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

#98

Having worked at a university at one point I can understand how shitty security is at virtually all universities. But Stanford claims to turn out brilliant technologists (in addition to these overpaid MBAs) yet apparently doesn't hire any.

All security is a disaster everywhere. In case you weren't paying attention, Apple (arguably the world's wealthiest company and widely lauded as a security-conscious firm) just shipped their operating system with a blank root password.

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Companies can have both a diversity policy and a policy to make sure the top talents don't go elsewhere. University too, can have a diversity policy as well as a merit policy. To compete and attract the best students, University must either provide merit based scholarship, or organize with other universities to get rid of merit based scholarships everywhere (cartel!)

Sure, but don’t lie about it. If it’s not need-based, don’t insist it’s need-based.

It is need based -- it goes to the students least in need!

/s

Re: Stanford University data glitch exposes truth about scholarships

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post #83

> Last year, 12 percent of Stanford MBA graduates were hired by private equity firms, with a median starting salary of $177,500, the article said. Venture capital companies hired 7 percent of them, and paid a median salary $167,500 to the beginners. Wow.. I chose the wrong career track.

you forgot how much a Stanford MBA puts you in debt..

there was someone that had responded to you saying something mocking like "much less than 160k but say whatever makes you feel better" that deleted their comment between when i saw it and when i logged in so i'm replying to you so that that person burns a little inside: there's nothing more priceless than someone being not just wrong but 180 degrees wrong: http://fortune.com/2012/12/07/stanford-mba-price-tag-hits-18...
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