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Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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It is not. It is just a deal worse than average, not necessarily when it's possible to get a better deal (it's not that the early employees in startups are all rock stars, many just can't get a job in a better place). Putting skin in the game is: * paying from your own wallet when there's a cash shortage * being mentally prepared to have guns pointed at you and your personal assets for violating an obscure regulation…

> paying from your own wallet when there's a cash shortage What's the difference between donating half your paycheck to the company, and only being given half your paychecks? > being mentally prepared to have guns pointed at you and your personal assets for violating an obscure regulation No. 389343A, or just attacked by employees, investors, partners for whatever reason they can come up with VCs don't need to deal w…

> What's the difference between donating half your paycheck to the company, and only being given half your paychecks?

You really think there is a set percentage how much one needs to contribute?

Wait, you actually mean that "covering shortages" means "taking smaller salary", don't you?

>> being mentally prepared to have guns pointed at you and your personal assets for violating an obscure regulation No. 389343A, or just attacked by employees, investors, partners for whatever reason they can come up with

> VCs don't need to deal with the former. You don't get attacked in the case of the latter, you just get fired.

I was about to reply with "hahaha" but then thought you really don't understand.

1. Not all startups (in fact, only a small share) are VC-funded. In many cases, the funds come from personal savings. In case I need to break it down to you, loss of personal savings is not necessarily taken kindly. 2. There is exactly 3,493,231 ways things may go south, it is not at all guaranteed it will all be limited to firing. As a matter of fact, when things get serious, it usually isn't. I witnessed it more than once firsthand, from different angles.

>> being a face of a commercial entity and putting your reputation at stake... > VCs make bad investments and founders make bad decisions all the time. The valley does not hold it against them for long.

A couple of things: 1. America is not the entire world (shocking, I know). 2. Silicon Valley is not the entire America. 3. Bad reputation sticks for a very, VERY long time. Longer if you upset someone powerful.

>> and, last but not least, being prepared to be woken up at any given minute to fix an issue of any nature > Here's where you're wrong - in a startup, engineers are the ones who get woken up at any given minute to fix an issue of any nature. Investors sure aren't.

I assume you mean "founders", not "investors" (because why would investors be working?).

While startup engineers are overworked (depending on a startup - I personally think it's a bad idea, and never do it to my employees), there is a million unseen things going on outside of development which nobody bothers to tell you.

Do you think these funds arrive on their own without a fight after the invoice is issued? Do you think these investors just act rationally and it works as if you lodge your job application? Do you think the interaction with lawyers, accountants, authorities is limited to 5 minute emails, and they are picked randomly, or shopping around takes half an hour?

Finally, who wakes up the engineers - do the founders do it in their sleep, in your opinion?

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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post #416

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This simple formula doesn't hold for super profitable business like netflix. They can't spend the money they get fast enough.

Netflix is super profitable? According to what accounting methods?

According to 1M+ revenues per employees and the billions they have in the bank.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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post #446

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Curious why did you take it? Did you try negotiating it down to something reasonable? (two weeks to a month)

Getting a copy of the actual contract, with the notice period in, was fairly late in the process, after i'd already informally accepted the offer. I didn't think i had a lot of leverage to get it changed. I could have tried, but by BATNA [1] was taking another job i wanted less, whilst their BATNA was to keep looking for candidates they liked just as much. Perhaps i underestimated the strength of my hand. I'm also no…

Actually, there are some legal limitations around the notice period in the UK. For instance, you can always leave during the first month without doing any notice period.

>>> I've never decided to quit a job and needed to be out one month later

It's a big hassle to get a new job if you can't be available before a few months. I personally had the case that a new job was terrible and left rather quickly. That would have been a problem if there were multiple months of notice.

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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People in Europe can be envy of salaries in US. Even in London which is not cheap either it's common for dev to get around $60k annually before tax (and taxes are high). This beg to ask a question : why employeers are so reluctant to hire remote devs even within similar timezone?

When comparing European and USian salaries, it is important to remember that companies primarily care about what it costs to employ you, which is different than the number on your paycheck. Generally speaking, the cost to employ software engineers in the EU is much higher than in the US, so even though the differences in salaries seem large the cost to the companies are often similar. The proportion of that cost that…

Typical salary for a senior dev in Berlin is 65k. That's about 73k fully loaded cost for the employer, IIRC. Nowhere near these numbers (which apparently are still way too low for senior devs in SV).

Re: Silicon Valley Software Engineer Salaries by Experience Level

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post #216

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At some point, that's the job description of a manager, not an engineer.

Mh. Answering from my position. I didn't get responsibility for more systems, or bigger projects, or things like that. They made me responsible for the technical side of production. All of it, zero wiggle room. Overall, I would not consider myself a manager. I don't have disciplinary rights, even in my team. I guess if I want someone gone, they will leave the company, but I'm no disciplinary superior. And in my space…

In other words it's better for you to lead your team than to do the work yourself.
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