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Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by drewmol »

nasredin wrote: post #299
ProAm wrote: post #234

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tough problem sure, but sending nude photos to a morally questionable company is not remotely close to the best solution to this problem.

If someone has your nudes and intends to share them I think blocking them only on Facebook and not anywhere else is not productive. You should just post the nudes yourself IMHO and be done with it.

^High School (and below) sure would be interesting /s

I imagine for most people in most situations regarding their* unwanted explicit media being published, the opposite is true i.e. Facebook(social media) is the worst place for it to be

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by drewmol »

danso wrote: post #324
Splines wrote: post #270

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The attack against the uploaded hash approach fails with default-deny, which seems like a good thing for users. The current implementation can be attacked by uploading thousands of legitimate images delaying takedown requests - therefore any images that should be taken down will stay up longer. I'll agree that whatever approach FB is doing to hash the photos may not work on a phone for technical reasons, but given FB…

> The current implementation can be attacked by uploading thousands of legitimate images delaying takedown requests How would that work, exactly? A user uploads hundreds of fraudulent images to FB's revenge-porn-abuse queue. At some point, the human who verifies whether the image is legit is going to realize that the user account is fraudulent and then disable the account. If images are hashed, FB has no way to know…

^This

They could jump straight to using ml and ai and the future where only you are in charge of who sees your FacebookEroticExpressions™ on any platform, all across the cloud!

But in the mean time they should probably tell her/him/them if they use the method that already exist to upload them we can use the method that already exist to have them gone in time for recess/study hall/wedding day/when Congress resumes/his state of the Union Address this evening/etc.

Also, if you just give us the other ones that undoubtedly exist we can nip this whole thing in the bud right now.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by drewmol »

659087 wrote: post #304
Tarq0n wrote: post #274

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I wonder if some three letter agency is paying facebook to build them the biggest face recognition database in the world.

Zuckerberg is aiming to become president. They might not even need to pay him (outside of political favors, I'd imagine), because he's probably convinced he's building it for his future self.

While I cannot condone or support the recently publicized explicit depictions my opponent claims to the subject of, both myself and the people at Facebook have the utmost respect for user privacy. As always users are encouraged to create locally computed perceptual hash values of the content in question using the publically available SDK tools and submit them to the proper support channel for assistance.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by mitchellberry »

otakucode wrote: post #393
mitchellberry wrote: post #292

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Considering nearly every adult provides a photo of higher quality to their respective governments it does seem a tad conspiratorial and like a lot of unecessary effort. Also being a part of the 14 eyes means if the United States wanted my biometrics all they need to do is ask. My country is already moving towards real time cctv identification in airports etc. using biometrics from any issued license / passport.

>My country is already moving towards real time cctv identification in airports etc. Your country must be very gullible and have poor standards of proof. Facial recognition is nowhere near capable of any such feat. Even in cases where the picture is taken under controlled circumstances, with ideal lighting, in good resolution, without extraneous background details, etc, facial recognition is still utterly terrible at…

So I have a friend who worked the security control room of large commercial building in Sydney, would visit him on the weekend and hang out there. This was not an important place, random corp offices of minor companies.

These cameras were 360 degree and nicely hidden away, you could zoom in and see the pimples on people across the street at decent resolution.

This was 10 years ago, betting against cameras improving since then or in future probably isn't a good idea.

Just an anecdote.

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Post by halflings »

goialoq wrote: post #264
halflings wrote: post #225

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The more data they keep about these images that they are promising to delete, the more they would make themselves liable to be sued for privacy violation (especially in the EU). It is a blurred line, but one that most rational companies (=not Uber) would prefer to avoid in the first place by only storing data that is necessary for their main functionality.

What is Facebook's "main functionality"?

Not facebook's main functionality. The feature's functionality.

e.g if you are building a captcha test feature, it should not keep more data than is needed for it to function.

This is the policy where I work at least, and I believe this is shared by most privacy-conscious companies (which facebook is... as far as the legal definition of privacy is concerned :)).

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Post by beojan »

otakucode wrote: post #400
beojan wrote: post #397

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There are plenty of times you do need to authenticate someone's true identity. If you're opening a bank account, or offering a loan or credit account (of any sort). Personally, I'd go so far as even if you're opening an email or social media account under your purported real name (so someone else can't set up a Twitter or Instagram account pretending to be you). To clarify, given how easily people trust social media,…

I think you misunderstood me. I'm not saying being able to identify someone is bad, just that it should be tied to what actually matters. When you're opening a bank account or something, you don't care if that person buys beer, and it makes no sense for the same identifier to be used for both of those things and for a multitude of other random things. That only invites a great deal of trouble. You care about whether…

For things like buying beer, you simply don't keep records. Having separate ID systems for everything is just too cumbersome to be feasible.

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Post by ncallaway »

ctack wrote: post #344
ncallaway wrote: post #112

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FB removes pornographic content, but it doesn't always do so proactively. If a user shares pornographic content, it may be visible on the site for a short period of time before the content is removed by Facebook. The goal of the initiative Facebook was attempting to implement was to prevent any revenge-porn photos from being shared on the website at all . Even for a brief period of time. From a user's standpoint, one…

I find the concept quite strange. It's kind of like having the police live at your house because 'just in case'.

I realize this is a late reply, but I just saw this today.

I think the idea isn't that this is a "just in case" service. More like, if someone sends you a message that they've got compromising photos of you and will release them unless you pay $XX,XXX then you would use the service.

In the analogy, it'd be more like having the police live at your house after having a credible threat made against your life. Which is a thing that happens

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