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A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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post #9

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It's the literal purpose of our existence. Why would you discourage that?

Our existence is what we make of it. It might be your purpose, or even most people's purpose, but there are plenty that frankly just aren't that interested.

Our species purpose is to reproduce. That doesn't mean every individual should feel the need to contribute, outliers like that tend to be self weeding anyway; no reason to shame the individual over it.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

#32
post #6

I thinks its do or die time for me to have kids. postponed it too long. I don't want to die alone, old age is loooong. Reading this article and watching this random video put me in high key stress mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Zxvr2NjDA&feature=youtu.be...

That’s a terrible reason. Add : bringing in a fully autonomous individual motivated by the hope+belief+expectation that they will be there when you grow old? Small chance, considering that the human trait which they need to be subscribed to is empathy, self-lessness and family. A lot of which will be learnt from their own parents. Namely you.

having a child is for the parents, not the child. the parents happiness and goals comes first, not the child. its sad that people have forgotten that. the parents end up miserable, and guess who else will end up miserable? you guessed it, the child.

wanting to have a child as to not be lonely in life is terrible? most kids are had for no reason at all, and its not terrible either. plus, I am pretty sure for 3 billion people in asia, this is part of the culture.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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I think I tend towards the Aubrey de Grey point of view on this- it's not necessarily anything anyone is doing wrong here, it's more that these folks are living in dying bodies that can't do what they want them to do. If they were suddenly young again- they could go out, make new connections, start over. With that said, I do see the point that this is a western/capitalist phenomenon in the sense that capitalism encou…

> these folks are living in dying bodies

If you're not, please let us know your secret.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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That's like, your opinion, man. Not everyone agrees that our existence even has a purpose.

His opinion, plus 4 billion years of evolution.

That might be an appeal to tradition, cant make up my mind.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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Elder loneliness is something I think about a lot. My grandparents on my father’s side are both 94. They’re also both hard of hearing. My grandpa had scarlett fever as a child and went almost deaf. He struggled through school and eventually got hearing aids in his 20’s. A huge improvement for him and every time he recounts that story he revels at the wonders of technology. I like to think my love of tech just runs in my blood. My grandma, on the other hand, has just lost her hearing in her older age. And she refuses to get hearing aids because she associates them with Grandpa not listening to her. He sometimes turns them off to zone her out :D

I live in Boston and they live about an hour away towards Cape Code. I make an effort to visit about once every two months, but there’s so much stuff they miss from my life and don’t see because their not on social media. They don’t know how to use a computer or iPad. We’ve tried with no luck.

One time I sent them photos in the mail of my new apartment, the first one I moved into with my then girlfriend (and now fiancé) about 5 years ago. I took the photos on my phone, printed them at CVS, wrote a caption on each one and mailed them off to my grandparents. They loved it and talked about it for months. I think I was even their favorite grandkid for a few months (I have three siblings and we compete with each other).

Fast forward 5 years later to my grandpa’s 94th birthday and I didn’t know what to get him. They’re house is full of stuff and they don’t need anything. I had been thinking about the photos I sent them for a few years and how if I made that easier, I’d probably do it more. Finally, I decided to make it into a script for our family to text photos to a unique number and once a month they get printed and shipped to Grandma & Grandpa. Now they’re regularly getting photos from everyone and they love it. We even compete to see who gets a photo on the fridge each month.

I told a few friends about the hack and they wanted it, so my older brother and I built it out into a full fledged product and recently launched NanaGram: https://NanaGram.co

Check it out if you have Grandparents and want to make their days a bit happier by feeling more connected to you. Would also love to hear HN’s thoughts too. Thanks!

Edit: spelling, grammar, and clarity.

And PSA - call your grandparents!

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

#37
post #12

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I wonder how many of the young people you connected with that way would come to sit by your side at your deathbed.

You'd be surprised. Its a small community. I know a half-dozen good, good friends I've made that way. Been invited to the wedding; worked with; been the guy they come to when troubled.

There's a big difference between someone inviting you amongst hundreds of others to their wedding and being at their deathbed

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

#38
post #6

I thinks its do or die time for me to have kids. postponed it too long. I don't want to die alone, old age is loooong. Reading this article and watching this random video put me in high key stress mode. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Zxvr2NjDA&feature=youtu.be...

That’s a terrible reason. Add : bringing in a fully autonomous individual motivated by the hope+belief+expectation that they will be there when you grow old? Small chance, considering that the human trait which they need to be subscribed to is empathy, self-lessness and family. A lot of which will be learnt from their own parents. Namely you.

Is following the dictates of Invisible Sky Daddy a good reason?

Is being young and dumb a good reason? Social pressure?

Personally, I think publicly auditing other people's life decisions like this is just tacky and rude, and informs me more about the critic than the subject.

Happens to me, too - I chose not to spawn, and for some reason a lot of people feel entitled to tell me all sorts of things this fact tells them about me. I'm tired of it, and have begun replying with my views of their moral myopathy, manners and occasionally, breeding.

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s a terrible reason. Add : bringing in a fully autonomous individual motivated by the hope+belief+expectation that they will be there when you grow old? Small chance, considering that the human trait which they need to be subscribed to is empathy, self-lessness and family. A lot of which will be learnt from their own parents. Namely you.

having a child is for the parents, not the child. the parents happiness and goals comes first, not the child. its sad that people have forgotten that. the parents end up miserable, and guess who else will end up miserable? you guessed it, the child. wanting to have a child as to not be lonely in life is terrible? most kids are had for no reason at all, and its not terrible either. plus, I am pretty sure for 3 billion…

> having a child is for the parents, not the child

Of course it's for the parents. You can't make a child "for the child", since it doesn't exist (and doesn't care) until you gave life to it.

I don't have kids, and I've been told on several occasions that I was selfish for not doing so. Isn't it more selfish to have kids (who didn't ask for being born) for one's own joy?

Re: A Generation in Japan Is Facing a Lonely Death

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So who has made plans for once you're over say 80?

There's the GYST website [0], but that doesn't handle what to do when you're still alive.

I don't think you can rely on kids, they'll only be there maximum for a couple of hours per week if you're lucky.

[0]: https://www.gyst.com/

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