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Drone Maker D.J.I. May Be Sending Data to China, U.S. Officials Say

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Re: Drone Maker D.J.I. May Be Sending Data to China, U.S. Officials Say

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Post by tgragnato »

astebbin wrote: post #11
crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

The U.S. has strong legal protections against unreasonable search and seizure, as shown in the Apple vs. FBI case after the San Bernardino attack. My understanding is that China has no such privacy protections, either in principle or in practice.

Those protections apply only to US citizens: the 4th amendment doesn't apply to foreigners. US ‘authorities’ arrogated to themselves the right to siphon the data and metadata of people around the world for this exact reason.

This means that based on the current applied interpretation of the norms, there are two classes of people: those who ‘deserve’ rights, and have them, and those who do not. And if you are a foreigner, you do not.

Correct me if I'm wrong.

Re: Drone Maker D.J.I. May Be Sending Data to China, U.S. Officials Say

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Post by kaffeemitsahne »

philtar wrote: post #40
leggomylibro wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In a nutshell: DJI is primed to obey authorities. It's in their genes. They're happy to geofence your drone for the simple reason of, 'we were asked,' which means that it isn't your drone. Sure, it seems reasonable when they keep you from straying into an airfield, but just wait until they prevent you from filming the violent crackdown on a protest. Although I do think that there's something to the idea of, 'if any c…

> 'if any country is going to have extremely personal data about me, it had may as well be a country that cannot easily and immediately imprison me without evidence or charge.' I don't know if you're referring to the US or China

I guess he's referring to "the country I don't currently reside in"

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Post by Density »

pjc50 wrote: post #39
flavio81 wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Quadcopters are in the lower tier of all drone types. Fixed-wing drones are more suited to military applications due to greater range and payload capacity, not to mention speed.

But Raptor/Predator drones aren't man-portable. Highly maneuverable portable drones are going to be a key part of urban conflict in the next century of the ongoing war in the middle east, just as the RPG and IED have been.

The army uses man portable fixed wing drones very often.

Re: Drone Maker D.J.I. May Be Sending Data to China, U.S. Officials Say

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Post by GCU-Empiricist »

crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

Considering that China has the great firewall due to it's government censorship I'm a bit shocked to see this as the top comment. The United States has distasteful problems with ubiquitous monitoring, but implying it is equivalent to China seems like failing to consider that there are qualitatively different levels of totalitarianism.

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Post by justinjlynn »

GCU-Empiricist wrote: post #44
crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

Considering that China has the great firewall due to it's government censorship I'm a bit shocked to see this as the top comment. The United States has distasteful problems with ubiquitous monitoring, but implying it is equivalent to China seems like failing to consider that there are qualitatively different levels of totalitarianism.

As though the invasion of privacy might be acceptable depending on who's committing the act... and how much or how often they do it and for what reasons. If it unjust, it's unjust; it doesn't matter if its China or any of the Five Eyes members doing it, it's still just as wrong.

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Post by jessaustin »

DKnoll wrote: post #20
crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

The concern isn't about US consumers, it's about the US government (law enforcement, defence, etc.) using the drones and having data sent back.

That sounds excellent to me. China could just start publishing these data, and then we lowly USA citizens could have some idea what the cops are getting up to with these drones. I'm anticipating a fair amount of "pretty woman undressed in her bathroom" footage...

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Post by octothorp3 »

crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

Bad analogy with the quadcopter, plug a few cheap parts together and load the open source flight controller software and you are ready to fly. Much harder to build/compile a phone atm, I haven't even seen where this is possible without an inordinate amount of time and expertise.

Re: Drone Maker D.J.I. May Be Sending Data to China, U.S. Officials Say

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Post by saiya-jin »

GCU-Empiricist wrote: post #44
crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

Considering that China has the great firewall due to it's government censorship I'm a bit shocked to see this as the top comment. The United States has distasteful problems with ubiquitous monitoring, but implying it is equivalent to China seems like failing to consider that there are qualitatively different levels of totalitarianism.

That's where your assumptions are wrong - to all of us outside US, meaning almost 95% of the human race, US is not much better than China these days. China actually has a leader that looks and behaves 'normally' from a glance, and US has... Trump. I don't think you realize how much he is damaging any leftover of US credibility.

I can actually create tons of statistics where US would come out as much worse country - ie nr of foreign unlawful invasions, nr of foreign civilians killed per year, nr of babies killed by army, prison population and so on and on and... on - what is China actually doing these days? Building roads in Africa.

And totalitarianism is simple - either its there or its not. 50 shades of grey are still grey at the end ;)

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