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Drone Maker D.J.I. May Be Sending Data to China, U.S. Officials Say

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Post by prdonahue »

pavlov wrote: post #17
prdonahue wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you put a "(sic)" [sic] in your own comment?

It's not uncommon to use "sic" as a sort of irony punctuation mark.

Interesting. I've always known "sic" by it's canonical usage: to point out an error in someone else's quotation (perhaps with some sneer).

Wikipedia actually shows this newer usage of it. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sic#.22Ironic_use.22_of_sic:

  "Ironic use" of sic[edit]
  Occasionally a writer places [sic] after his or her own words, to indicate that 
  the language has been chosen deliberately for special effect, especially where 
  the writer's ironic meaning may otherwise be unclear.[18] Bryan A. Garner dubbed 
  this use of sic "ironic", providing the following example from Fred Rodell's 1955 
  book Nine Men:[2]

  [I]n 1951, it was the blessing bestowed on Judge Harold Medina's prosecution 
  [sic] of the eleven so-called 'top native Communists,' which blessing meant 
  giving the Smith Act the judicial nod of constitutionality.

Re: Drone Maker D.J.I. May Be Sending Data to China, U.S. Officials Say

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Post by abakker »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #13
fma wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the impression that the Chinese government constantly violets intellectual property of American companies. I'd have no problems if the US government copies DJI designs for military purposes. Return the favor.

The basic stabilization work was done in American universities (Stanford 2004 to be precise), so I think it is more of a value proposition (mass produced, cheap).

Replying to this thread as a whole. I talked to a General in the army netcom a week after that ban, specifically, I was presenting on the commercial drone market uses. At the time of the ban, the army indicated that they had several thousand DJI drones grounded by that order.

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Post by abakker »

flavio81 wrote: post #6
wmf wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Aren't DJI drones the best? The military applications of quadcopters seem obvious.

Quadcopters are in the lower tier of all drone types. Fixed-wing drones are more suited to military applications due to greater range and payload capacity, not to mention speed.

Fixed wing drones require missions, procurement, permissions etc. rotor drones give you plenty of airborn vantage and photography ability for next to no money and minimal risk.

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Post by hrowaway183 »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #13
fma wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I get the impression that the Chinese government constantly violets intellectual property of American companies. I'd have no problems if the US government copies DJI designs for military purposes. Return the favor.

The basic stabilization work was done in American universities (Stanford 2004 to be precise), so I think it is more of a value proposition (mass produced, cheap).

Have you actually bought one before? They are the most expensive in the industry. Saying all the work on stabilization is done by the US simply shows you have a lack of understanding what make a drone great. DJI has one of the best flight times. It’s image stabilisation and video quality is unmatched in the industry. Its ability to handle wind turbulence and object avoidance is second to none. Not to mention it’s software features is top notch. All these count to make it the most popular drone in the industry.

P.s I know you love to trash talk China and say America is great all the time. But I think you are stereotyping a bit here. The amount of bias in your comments is quite obvious. Make is question how you are a researcher. Learn to judge something by its merits.

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Post by tehlike »

astebbin wrote: post #11
crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

The U.S. has strong legal protections against unreasonable search and seizure, as shown in the Apple vs. FBI case after the San Bernardino attack. My understanding is that China has no such privacy protections, either in principle or in practice.

patriot act is rather broad for ensuring strong legal protections.

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Post by Veratyr »

astebbin wrote: post #11
crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

The U.S. has strong legal protections against unreasonable search and seizure, as shown in the Apple vs. FBI case after the San Bernardino attack. My understanding is that China has no such privacy protections, either in principle or in practice.

Sure but the US also has a very broad definition of "reasonable", where just about any kind of information you share through or with a business is a "business record" and doesn't require a warrant.

Not to mention the blanket surveillance, use of Stingrays without a warrant and near total lack of privacy law.

The US might not be as _bad_ as China but it's still far from _good_.

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Post by rodgerd »

astebbin wrote: post #11
crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

The U.S. has strong legal protections against unreasonable search and seizure, as shown in the Apple vs. FBI case after the San Bernardino attack. My understanding is that China has no such privacy protections, either in principle or in practice.

Yeah, unless you're in the constitution-free zone within what is it, 100 miles of a port?

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Post by totalZero »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #4
abakker wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, the army already issued a memo saying that they were not using DJI until this was resolved. That was back in August.

That the Army is considering using them at all is interesting.

Quality per price is pretty good, and they are the lion's share of the consumer market. Other drone companies hire DJI to consult on, or even design, components of their hardware and controls. So while it's interesting, and probably unwise, it's not altogether loony for groups within the US Department of Defense to use their technology.

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Post by trhway »

astebbin wrote: post #11
crappybird wrote: post #10

All android phone are definitely sending data to United States. Why is sending data to one country better than sending data to another? For US citizens, this might be irrelevant (not so much if we go by the leaks). But for everyone living anywhere else on the globe, owning a smartphone means usually owning an endpoint for one of the giant corporate data sinks which its government can easily access. I understand that…

The U.S. has strong legal protections against unreasonable search and seizure, as shown in the Apple vs. FBI case after the San Bernardino attack. My understanding is that China has no such privacy protections, either in principle or in practice.

>The U.S. has strong legal protections against unreasonable search and seizure

i don't think these protections apply to the people outside of US. The same way whatever laws China has wouldn't apply to for example the people in US, ie. outside of China.

Also it reminded about that typical arrangement when UK spies on the people inside US at the request of US government and vise versa in order to workaround those domestic legal protections.

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Post by chronic824 »

jlgaddis wrote: post #19
astebbin wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The U.S. has strong legal protections against unreasonable search and seizure, as shown in the Apple vs. FBI case after the San Bernardino attack. My understanding is that China has no such privacy protections, either in principle or in practice.

Yeah, it's not like the U.S. can get a top-secret blanket order for call records of everyone in the country or anything. /s

Having a requirement for a blank order is better than no requirement, as is in China. Would you rather live in China?
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