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Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by coldtea »

fastball wrote: post #86
coldtea wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like you have a right to appear in Google's search results... It should be, though. It's not 1776. A website like Google is more than a company, it's a public service with immense power of manipulation and influence over countless industries. The law shouldn't be written like we live in the stone age.

So what exactly is your solution? What law do you put in place, precisely? Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge? Because that seems to be what you're gunning for.

>So what exactly is your solution? What law do you put in place, precisely?

Forced (inter-)nationalization of Google under the control of the UN.

>Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge?

Pretty much yes. Charges should be bared by the Global Federation of Essential Services.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

#92

Post by mattmanser »

fastball wrote: post #86
coldtea wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like you have a right to appear in Google's search results... It should be, though. It's not 1776. A website like Google is more than a company, it's a public service with immense power of manipulation and influence over countless industries. The law shouldn't be written like we live in the stone age.

So what exactly is your solution? What law do you put in place, precisely? Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge? Because that seems to be what you're gunning for.

Identifying a problem caused by a monopoly is not the same as having to provide a solution for it. Some sort of regulation. No-one said they had to do it free.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by fastball »

coldtea wrote: post #91
fastball wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what exactly is your solution? What law do you put in place, precisely? Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge? Because that seems to be what you're gunning for.

> So what exactly is your solution? What law do you put in place, precisely? Forced (inter-)nationalization of Google under the control of the UN. > Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge? Pretty much yes. Charges should be bared by the Global Federation of Essential Services.

You're going to nationalize Google before nationalizing the internet itself? I think you're missing the forest for the trees.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

#94

Post by saas_co_de »

f_allwein wrote: post #7

[2016]. Having worked at Google’s Search Quality Evaluation team, I can confirm that Google would only manually remove sites from its search results if they violate its webmaster guidelines: https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/35769?hl=en Of course, there can be other issues preventing a site from showing up in the search results (e.g. site migration issues, accidentally locking out Googlebot in robots.txt,…

> Google would only manually remove sites

What you mean is that low level employees can only manually remove sites following a set of strict guidelines.

Senior management can make whatever editorial decisions they like.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

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Post by fastball »

mattmanser wrote: post #92
fastball wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So what exactly is your solution? What law do you put in place, precisely? Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge? Because that seems to be what you're gunning for.

Identifying a problem caused by a monopoly is not the same as having to provide a solution for it. Some sort of regulation. No-one said they had to do it free.

So it would be ok with you if Google said "we exclude any search results we want, you can pay for Google premium to have uncensored results"?

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

#96

Post by [deleted] »

fastball wrote: post #84
tgragnato wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a matter of support, although I understand why it is convenient for Google to consider the issue from this point of view. $$$ The problem is that when a search engine has the overwhelming majority of the online search market, freedom of information has a strict dependence on the QoS of that engine. Since people (at least in Europe) have a legal right to freedom of information, if Google is not providing s…

That's insanity. So because Google is an information company and governments have granted a "right to information [x]" Google has to provide any information a consumer could possibly want, for free, regardless of the cost to them? [x] - which is an absurdity in itself - what information? how? when? where? This "right" is just another overreach by the EU et. al. wanting everything to be a "human right" even if it's no…

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Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

#97

Post by tgragnato »

fastball wrote: post #84
tgragnato wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not a matter of support, although I understand why it is convenient for Google to consider the issue from this point of view. $$$ The problem is that when a search engine has the overwhelming majority of the online search market, freedom of information has a strict dependence on the QoS of that engine. Since people (at least in Europe) have a legal right to freedom of information, if Google is not providing s…

That's insanity. So because Google is an information company and governments have granted a "right to information [x]" Google has to provide any information a consumer could possibly want, for free, regardless of the cost to them? [x] - which is an absurdity in itself - what information? how? when? where? This "right" is just another overreach by the EU et. al. wanting everything to be a "human right" even if it's no…

Personally, I continue to believe in free market principles.

That's why I believe a decrease in the investment in "traffic acquisition costs" may be in the best interest of Google itself.

Everyone is responsible for the consequences of his own actions. What did we expect?

It would certainly be an improvement and it would give more leverage in avoiding regulatory impositions that in the long term are certainly deleterious (for all).

Perhaps I'm naïve, but I see two possibilities: the acceptance of the overreach in regulations/fines/.., or a self-limitation of the monopoly.

But I'm certainly not in the position to answer the question.

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

#98

Post by rusk »

fastball wrote: post #93
coldtea wrote: post #91

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So what exactly is your solution? What law do you put in place, precisely? Forced (inter-)nationalization of Google under the control of the UN. > Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge? Pretty much yes. Charges should be bared by the Global Federation of Essential Services.

You're going to nationalize Google before nationalizing the internet itself? I think you're missing the forest for the trees.

I think he means globalize rather than nationalize ...

I guess someone's been reading Picketty ..

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

#99

Post by spuz »

tobltobs wrote: post #18

Wasn't this at the same time when ProtonMail migrated their site from a .ch to a .com? I would be thankful if I would be able to get such a special treatment from Google for a borked migration. For most of us it is a death sentence when we bork a migration, protonmail gets help and then they whine about it.

What do you mean by borked migration? What could Proton mail have done better?

Re: Why Did ProtonMail Vanish from Google Search Results? (2016)

#100

Post by rusk »

fastball wrote: post #86
coldtea wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's not like you have a right to appear in Google's search results... It should be, though. It's not 1776. A website like Google is more than a company, it's a public service with immense power of manipulation and influence over countless industries. The law shouldn't be written like we live in the stone age.

So what exactly is your solution? What law do you put in place, precisely? Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge? Because that seems to be what you're gunning for.

> Google has to provide consumers with whatever information they want, whenever they want it, free of charge

Sigh - anybody remember when this was pretty much a given?

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