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The argument against this article reminds me of the notoriously tear-jerking Futurama episode in which Fry tells his dog to wait outside the building for a moment. Fry accidentally cryogenically freezes himself while in the building and wakes up in the future, but his dog had waited there for his owner for the rest of his life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XECQApj9IJs
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Some dogs care more about food than others. There are lots of counterexamples. I grew up with a boxer that was almost completely food motivated. The neighbor's GSD was almost completely play motivated, and would skip meals in the hopes that someone would just. throw. the. ball. Your breeder's statement is like stereotyping human personalities by ethnicity or gender - something may show up strongly in the statistics,…
The existence of counterexamples isn’t that notable here. OPs position is “dogs are only in it for the food.” Dogs that are not only in it for the food are a useful counterexample, because it trumps the sweeping “only.” That -some- dogs are in it for the food doesn’t move the needle in the debate one way or the other.
I never was a dog guy. Always had cats during childhood. I used to find dogs scary and stinky. But then, at 38, a few years ago, I suddenly needed a dog. What was it? The kids growing older? Me, getting older? I don't know. But I wanted a dog. I contemplated the idea for one year. And then I adopted a dog from a shelter. Greatest thing ever. A dog is such a great companion. They say that a dog will make you laugh onc…
The argument against this article reminds me of the notoriously tear-jerking Futurama episode in which Fry tells his dog to wait outside the building for a moment. Fry accidentally cryogenically freezes himself while in the building and wakes up in the future, but his dog had waited there for his owner for the rest of his life. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XECQApj9IJs
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I think dogs will do this too.
But there is also the possibility that your dog will guard your corpse and not let strangers or other animals near it (like Talero). And a lesser possibility that your dog will guard your grave until it dies [0]. Cats? They'll sit on your corpse to interview servants to replace you. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greyfriars_Bobby
It isn't wrong to project our desires and fantasy of engagement on to specific dogs, in as much as mutuality can exist between us as good source and them as consumers. Symbiosis takes many forms and to imagine the butterfly feels no pleasure as the plant releases a drop of nectar is to deny we could build a probe fine enough to find out. But so what? They go on sucking nectar, and our dogs go on making eyes at us and…
I have a funny metaphor about animal vs humans. Video games today are 1000000x more sophisticated, realistic than anything from the early 80s. Still 8 bit games were games, they had the same elements in them, except in low res, freq and count. The structure, the "quality", not the quantity. Same goes for computers. When I boot a win95 box, it's all there, minus the HTML5/CSS3 capable stack. I do believe that most lif…
In that sense, the pleasure a butterfly feels as a commanding thing, set against its overall brain function probably is more at the cellular automota end of the scale. The mouse we're trying to kill, before it gets our cheese is a couple or more orders of magnitude up the food chain. Its decidedly not monochrome.
Its where you draw the line which matters, in conversations about ethics and equity. Jains draw it a lot lower than I do.
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I have a funny metaphor about animal vs humans. Video games today are 1000000x more sophisticated, realistic than anything from the early 80s. Still 8 bit games were games, they had the same elements in them, except in low res, freq and count. The structure, the "quality", not the quantity. Same goes for computers. When I boot a win95 box, it's all there, minus the HTML5/CSS3 capable stack. I do believe that most lif…
I think your analogy is good, but I do have some issues. The lower down the 8 bit scale you go, into greyscale graphics or black and white, the more it approaches the old cellular automata games, game of life. Which, we can show is turing complete now we have functioning instruction-set machine logic. But, GoL is not itself the turing, its the machine we build inside it. In that sense, the pleasure a butterfly feels…
Maybe the signal they get from satisfaction is very low but it's still something.. and probably not a one bit thing.
