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Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by FridgeSeal »

geocar wrote: post #181
sleepychu wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or indeed care about the law enough to bother before they're fined for doing it. After all you'll need to prove they didn't delete the data first!

The GDPR penalties can reach 4% global (i.e. sum all related companies) annual turnover per infraction . If anyone ever found out Facebook had a widespread violation, Facebook would be likely be dissolved.

Oh boy would I be thrilled if that happens.

Nothing of value will really be lost, replacements would spring up super quickly and I'd like to think that we would have learned enough about the downsides of the current social-network systems for the next generation to avoid the pitfalls and hopefully make something much better.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by shostack »

_jal wrote: post #24
oblib wrote: post #9

I will never do this. I don't even post photos of myself on FB, or use "Messenger" or their mobile app, so it probably wouldn't work anyway, but I have no doubt they're looking to monetize the feature and that businesses and governments are their target markets.

I'm pretty sure it is about training their users to surrender biometrics on demand. FB wants their feedstock comfortable with the idea.

I wonder if they are using their camera permissions in Messenger to automatically grab an image when someone opens the app...is there any way to verify that?

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by unicornporn »

geocar wrote: post #183
andrewstuart2 wrote: post #142

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That only applies to Europe. The question is whether the data is valuable enough to Facebook to spend the time to add `if (europe)` to their code.

It applies to Europeans, even if they're not in Europe, and even if they don't identify themselves as being in Europe.

To correct your correction I'd like to add that far from every European country is a member of the EU.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

mvdwoord wrote: post #117

I uploaded a cropped/mirrored picture of Jack Nicholson in the Shining. After 48 hours the account was working again, no idea what happens in that process.

I'd advise against playing such games if your FB account matters to you. They have often blocked / disabled accounts based on these things.

If not, then go ahead, by all means.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by Drdrdrq »

drb91 wrote: post #189
nicky0 wrote: post #180

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You are excused. Facebook has lots of photos of my face already, will one more make a difference?

Not everyone uploads their face to facebook over and over and over again.

Or at all.

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Post by sliverstorm »

ProAm wrote: post #185
1_2__4 wrote: post #177

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Do you have a better idea? I don’t.

Hash your copy of the nude image client side, and upload the hash only? Seems like a way better idea to me.

A hash would only match an identical file, right? It sounds like image recognition is used here to catch derivatives of the original file, which a hash wouldn't catch.

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

Tharkun wrote: post #127

I was recently locked out of my FB account. The only way to unlock it was to identify my friends' pictures. Apparently sending me an e-mail was too much trouble ... Haven't been able to log in since, as I refuse to partake in that sort of bullshit. Can't say I miss it.

Consider designing an account security system that can deal with all the kinds of problems that arise when 2 billion people are using the service (email forgotten, email stolen, password compromised, blah blah) and then tell us email verification is the one-stop solution to fixing all of that.

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Post by squeaky-clean »

danso wrote: post #123
Splines wrote: post #120

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I disagree: - It sets a precedent for uploading nude photos to FB and for them asking for it. - You need to trust FB to delete the photos when they receive it. Yes, I understand that they probably will, but really, how many systems are those bits going to touch? How many logs are going to have this information? Can you be really sure? A better implementation would be for the FB client to hash the file and for the has…

> - It sets a precedent for uploading nude photos to FB and for them asking for it. Before we reduce this to a slippery slope, what scenario do you envision in which FB could coax its userbase to upload nude photos? I know the OP is about taking a selfie to prove existence. What would FB use as the basis to mandate the general user to send a self-nude? > You need to trust FB to delete the photos when they receive it.…

> If the image is hashed before it reaches FB servers, then it gives every user the power and impunity to attempt to censor via a Content-ID like approach.

Another commenter makes a good point that you could still have a human verify the first time a provided hash matches an image.

In the current setup, there is a human that verifies the image to be hashed is a nude photo instead of the McDonald's profile picture. In the proposed setup, you wait until a hash matches the photo and then have a human verify if it's pornographic content.

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Post by jesperlang »

cbhl wrote: post #97

Sure, Facebook might delete your photo when they're done, but they probably won't delete any machine learning models that they trained using it.

wording like this is really tricky (intentionally so!), it exploits our naive notion of digital information as files. One aspect is the machine learning you mention but basically they can also create a new "file" from your image with metadata about your image. Metadata rich enough to render the original image unnecessary. There is no way out of this relatiohship with FB, however they formulate words to comfort you, there is always a different unexpected side to what they are saying..

Re: Facebook’s New Captcha Test: 'Upload a Clear Photo of Your Face'

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Post by kinkrtyavimoodh »

bogomipz wrote: post #107
ihsw2 wrote: post #87

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Numerous systems that scrutinize IP-based geolocation information already throw up additional security checks when detecting changes. Personally I welcome it, especially when banks do it. It's low-hanging fruit TBH. It massively fucks with those using VPN or Tor but I'm fine with that.

Except that FB isn't a bank and doesn't store one's financial data. Also this argument falls flat as we are an increasingly mobile population whether that be travel for pleasure or business. I remember watching in amusement/horror as a friend I was traveling with in Thailand wasn't able to access her Facebook account unless she verified via her phone that she was actually attempting to log into her account from Thail…

What sort of ridiculous nitpicking is this? First, FB does have a Payments feature, so if you are being pedantic, it does deal with one's financial world.

Second, for a lot of people, their FB profile has a lot of confidential information, and is tied to their personal identity so they can't have the risk of it being compromised based on leaked passwords or whatever. It may not matter for you, but I am happy that they are safeguarding my account just the way a bank would.

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