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Ask HN: How do I get $2.2M dollars?

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Re: Ask HN: How do I get $2.2M dollars?

#81

Why do you wish to stop working once you reach your goal? How do you intend to spend your time?

Um, I just like doing my own thing more than doing what other people want from me. Maybe running my own business is the best foot forward.

This is a good question, and I’m going to keep thinking about it.

Re: Ask HN: How do I get $2.2M dollars?

#82

"live the rest of my life off of the interest" You are still young but the people who live the longest and happiest are the ones with purpose. While you didn't ask for an opinion on this, if I were you, I would first identify your true purpose. Maybe that purpose is playing tennis 5 times a week and reading books (I know I'd like that) and which case, your question above makes total sense. But maybe it's helping impr…

Thanks for the advice! There are a lot of things I kind of like, so I’m pursuing them more, hoping that one will stand out. We’ll see how it goes!

Re: Ask HN: How do I get $2.2M dollars?

#84

Build something: 2,200,000 = Delivering $1 of value to 2.2mi people. Just play with that numbers until you can figure out something that you can build that fits into that model.... $1 of value to 2.4mi people (in a year) // (i fudged the number to make the math easier) $1 of value to 200k people a month $2 of value to 100k people a month $3 of value to 75k people a month $4 of value to 50k people a month $8 of value…

Building something actually drastically reduces the requirements. OP stated $2.2MM to live off of the interest ($80k/yr); put it another way, OP wants a passive income stream of $80k/yr, which can come from $2.2MM invested via the 4% withdrawal rule.

In the case of building something, that replaces the need for $2.2M in capital, which means the 75mm page views/mo reduces down to 2.7mm views/mo, or in the case of the SaaS business, looks something like:

$1 of value to 80,000 people / year

$1 of value to 6,667 people / mo

$5 of value to 1,334 people / mo

$6.67 of value to 1,000 people / mo

$10 of value to 666 people / mo

The key insight is that $7/mo (in perpetuity) from your "1,000 true fans" gives OP the lifestyle he/she is hoping for.

Re: Ask HN: How do I get $2.2M dollars?

#86
After you get 2.2 million, you say you can take $80K per year. So you're saying that you'll be able make 3.6% interest per year. I think that rate of return (after taxes and inflation) is reasonable. In my opinion, the best way to get this is to invest in the S&P 500 via a low cost ETF such as SPY. There are many different opinions on this point.

Assume you can get the same 3.6% rate of return while you are saving. Assume you save the same amount every year. How long will it take to get to $2.2M?

Save $10K per year - 62 years Save $20K per year - 45 years Save $30K per year - 37 years Save $40K per year - 31 years Save $50K per year - 27 years Save $60K per year - 24 years Save $70K per year - 22 years Save $80K per year - 20 years Save $90K per year - 18 years Save $100K per year - 17 years

But I suggest you look at the whole thing a different way. Start with your estimated salary. How can you have about the same amount of spending money while you are working and after you retire? (A lot of people say you need a little bit less money in retirement, so you can adjust for this.)

For example, assume you get a job with take home pay of $100K per year. If you save $20K per year, and work 45 years, you'll have $80K per year while you're working, and $80K per year in retirement. If you are able to save $30K per year for 34 years, you'll have $70K per year while you're working, and $70K per year in retirement.

I made a little spreadsheet, and came up with all the above numbers. It's not too hard to set up a small spreadsheet and play with these numbers yourself. I have some constants at the top - A1 has amount saved per year and B1 has interest rate, as a fraction, not a percent, 0.036. After that, each row of the spreadsheet has a different year, starting with year 0, balance 0. The first column is the year, for easy reference. The second column is the new balance. Old balance + (Old balance * interest rate) + Amount saved per year. Use $A$1 and $B$1 to refer to the constants at the top.

I ignore inflation to simplify things. Instead I use an after-inflation interest rate. These are all very rough estimates, after all. Who can really predict investment returns 20 years from now?

Re: Ask HN: How do I get $2.2M dollars?

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The way for me is the stock market - building trading robots, this is the way to get your FU money and believe me it is well worth it and it is the ultimate freedom in life... I would recommend starting with Interactive Brokers or similar API (it is free), small linux VPS, some data for back testing and off you go, for around $100 you can start + a lot of time of course... Start by testing any trading strategy you ca…

Are you really smarter than a bunch of Quants with PhD's in math/CS and unlimited resources (hedge funds etc)? Get rich quick does not work in the stock market. Get rich quick = lose money quick in 99.999% of cases.

Works for me, so looks like I am smart enough ;-)

Re: Ask HN: How do I get $2.2M dollars?

#88
post #12

The way for me is the stock market - building trading robots, this is the way to get your FU money and believe me it is well worth it and it is the ultimate freedom in life... I would recommend starting with Interactive Brokers or similar API (it is free), small linux VPS, some data for back testing and off you go, for around $100 you can start + a lot of time of course... Start by testing any trading strategy you ca…

Did you succeed?

Absolutely, been doing it for a few market cycles already and the automation is a god sent, everything is working on an autopilot...

Re: Ask HN: How do I get $2.2M dollars?

#89
post #12

The way for me is the stock market - building trading robots, this is the way to get your FU money and believe me it is well worth it and it is the ultimate freedom in life... I would recommend starting with Interactive Brokers or similar API (it is free), small linux VPS, some data for back testing and off you go, for around $100 you can start + a lot of time of course... Start by testing any trading strategy you ca…

What's your net worth?

enough to not work a day in my life and hopefully will leave it to my children when they are old/wise enough...
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