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Please build websites for the web, not just Google Chrome

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Re: Please build websites for the web, not just Google Chrome

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Post by foobarchu »

fanpuns wrote: post #10

This isn't really my area of expertise so if this already exists feel free to educate me. Would it be possible to have a generic browser that isnt controlled by any vendor, but perhaps contributed to by all of them, which could be used as a dev standard? It doesn't even have to be available to users, just devs. Vendors could still develop their browsers any way they want, but when output diverges from this kit, they…

The big problem with this idea is that different browsers use different rendering engines. Not everyone uses webkit. If the test suite is built on webkit, then you can't say it'll work under Firefox or Edge, because a critical component is different.

Re: Please build websites for the web, not just Google Chrome

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Post by foobarchu »

curtisblaine wrote: post #17
jerven wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seems silly, that often its 40% of the market that companies are willing to leave to competitors for relatively tiny development costs.

Then another company will capture that 40% of the market and disrupt the first company for tiny development costs. Still can't see the problem.

And until that time, the customers are entitled to bitch and moan as much as they want for the company to do things right. Which is exactly what this is.

Re: Please build websites for the web, not just Google Chrome

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Post by ilaksh »

Please build IE to be compatible with standards that have been implemented for years in Firefox and Chrome.

Last I tried, IE still does not have a fully compatible CSS grid and doesn't handle HTTP 2 server push at all.

Is it because they don't have enough smart programmers to implement those things? Or they can't update their software? Even though every few weeks or months there are full updates that they push at will.

I can't believe people still haven't figured out at this point that MS is doing it deliberately, just like they have been all these years. Because every time the web becomes more powerful and compatible, it weakens MS's position.

Re: Please build websites for the web, not just Google Chrome

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Post by isleyaardvark »

fanpuns wrote: post #10

This isn't really my area of expertise so if this already exists feel free to educate me. Would it be possible to have a generic browser that isnt controlled by any vendor, but perhaps contributed to by all of them, which could be used as a dev standard? It doesn't even have to be available to users, just devs. Vendors could still develop their browsers any way they want, but when output diverges from this kit, they…

Obligatory: https://xkcd.com/927/

Re: Please build websites for the web, not just Google Chrome

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Post by ksec »

ilaksh wrote: post #23

Please build IE to be compatible with standards that have been implemented for years in Firefox and Chrome. Last I tried, IE still does not have a fully compatible CSS grid and doesn't handle HTTP 2 server push at all. Is it because they don't have enough smart programmers to implement those things? Or they can't update their software? Even though every few weeks or months there are full updates that they push at wil…

Have you tried Edge, IE at this stage is pretty much abandoned, or Edge is taking over IE.

Re: Please build websites for the web, not just Google Chrome

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Post by oliwarner »

bradknowles wrote: post #2

Unfortunately, thenextweb.com site doesn’t open at all for me on iOS and Safari. Hmm. Maybe they should take some of their own medicine?

Don't confuse "only supporting Chrome" with "not supporting every crappy browser ever made". Standards will move on so the acceptable bar for what you support will also keep changing.

Safari might have user numbers behind it but it also has a huge pile of rendering oddities and half-implemented standards. They're not keeping pace with other browsers.

Re: Please build websites for the web, not just Google Chrome

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Post by ilaksh »

ksec wrote: post #25
ilaksh wrote: post #23

Please build IE to be compatible with standards that have been implemented for years in Firefox and Chrome. Last I tried, IE still does not have a fully compatible CSS grid and doesn't handle HTTP 2 server push at all. Is it because they don't have enough smart programmers to implement those things? Or they can't update their software? Even though every few weeks or months there are full updates that they push at wil…

Have you tried Edge, IE at this stage is pretty much abandoned, or Edge is taking over IE.

Windows 10 automatically opens things in IE still as far as I know.

Re: Please build websites for the web, not just Google Chrome

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Post by curtisblaine »

foobarchu wrote: post #22
curtisblaine wrote: post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then another company will capture that 40% of the market and disrupt the first company for tiny development costs. Still can't see the problem.

And until that time, the customers are entitled to bitch and moan as much as they want for the company to do things right. Which is exactly what this is.

And until that time, the company is entitled to tell them "install Chrome", which is exactly what this is :)
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