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Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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Post by nailer »

jimnotgym wrote: post #356
nailer wrote: post #351

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For which point? - For the first, Entrepreneurs In (my group) was obviously, well, entrepreneurs. - For the second, everyone on both sides of the debate agrees that non-London folk won it for Brexit. You're literally the first person I've ever met that would dispute this.

I agree that non-London folk swung it. But it is a bit of a stretch to think either a) that makes everyone outside London working class b) that other cities didn't vote Leave I see lots of landed gentry and farmers who were big on Leave (back then). Lots of Tory home counties types too. I don't think it is even slightly helpful to consider it a class issue.

a) It's generally agreed that folks in London, Brighton etc are more educated and wealthier than the rest of the country.

b) Yes, London and other big cities voted remain.

I don't think landed gentry make a huge portion of the population. Farmers are generally considered to be working class.

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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Post by funkythingss »

fineline wrote: post #307
funkythingss wrote: post #179

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I agree. Ever since Snowden they have been going to absolute horse shit. examples: https://somuchguardian.tumblr.com most recent example: basically calling Taylor swift a white supremacist for being silent on politics https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/nov/24/the-gu... I can't take them seriously anymore, their editorial board has gone mad

Thanks so much for that link. As a "progressive leaning" individual I have despaired at the descent of the Guardian, along with much of the formerly progressive media, into pure political-correctness-gone-mad, value-signalling nonsense, especially as I'm white, male and not getting any younger (apparently there are some demographics it's still just fine to build very negative stereotypes about...) It's good to counte…

It's funny that you mention parody. I recently came across this guy, who says he can't parody feminism anymore, because they've gone completely mad https://medusamagazine.com/i-created-medusa-magazine-and-i-a... :D

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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Post by yesenadam »

ogre_magi wrote: post #341
yesenadam wrote: post #325

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'How can you tell if this full stop "wrongness" is occurring?' Well, I get why you would ask this, but that's an extremely strange question; I sense false assumptions in there somewhere. Yes, "wrong, full stop", otherwise known as wrong. That's what the word 'wrong' means in English. I had to create terms because you are (what seems to me) pretending you 'have no need of' any judgement-words whatsoever. You, I presum…

There's so much strawman nonsense in this comment I don't even know where to begin. I don't go around murdering people because doing so would harm the society I live in and care about, i.e. harm things I value. I support stopping people from murdering for the same reason. I don't have to believe in some kind of naive "wrongness" to take a position on something. Your position is that a simple and intuitive sense of "w…

"Be civil. Don't say things you wouldn't say face-to-face. Don't be snarky. Comments should get more civil and substantive, not less, as a topic gets more divisive.

When disagreeing, please reply to the argument instead of calling names. "That is idiotic; 1 + 1 is 2, not 3" can be shortened to "1 + 1 is 2, not 3."

Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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Post by teemu47 »

dalbasal wrote: post #129
f055 wrote: post #10

This. Years ago it was obvious to most newspapers that paid subscribers are their lifeline. Advertisers come and go, daily sales come and go, but long-period subscribers keep you afloat. Somehow, when the respected newspapers moved to the web, they forgot that, and kept pumping ads like crazy. This, in essence, moved the sense of their product from quality content to clickable content - these two don't mix. Consequen…

I agree that content quality and revenue source are related in this way. There are bunch of analogies online, that I think help fill out this picture. Youtube “monetisation” spawned a bunch of clickbait-driven spam. Patreon produced good quality content, acting on the same platform, at the same time. This is somewhere between a subscriber and supporter model. A lot like some newspapers. Almost a natural experiment. I…

I've been working on making this model for journalists a reality https://www.demotico.com. So far, I haven't found excited journalists but that may just be me being a poor marketer.
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