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Vanguard Founder Jack Bogle Says ‘Avoid Bitcoin Like the Plague’

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Re: Vanguard Founder Jack Bogle Says ‘Avoid Bitcoin Like the Plague’

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“Bitcoin has no underlying rate of return,” said Bogle, 88, who started the first index fund in 1976. “You know bonds have an interest coupon, stocks have earnings and dividends, gold has nothing. There is nothing to support bitcoin except the hope that you will sell it to someone for more than you paid for it.”

Didnt quite understand this quote - is he down on gold too?

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The common sense for the wealthy investor should have been to invest 1% of his portfolio into bitcoin and other digital currencies. If he did that two years ago he'd get x15-30 returns, making Digital currencies over 10% of his portfolio. That would be the time to "cash out" or "scale out" the original investment back into traditional channels.

Is it late now? I think wait a bit and then start DCA that portion of your portfolio.

Re: Vanguard Founder Jack Bogle Says ‘Avoid Bitcoin Like the Plague’

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"There is nothing to support bitcoin except the hope that you will sell it to someone for more than you paid for it.” Genuinely asking, isn't this the plan for many people? How is bitcoin different than other commodities or property in this regard? Would Bogle say the same thing about those investments?

Mature stocks will usually start paying a dividend.

Equity in a company means you own part of that company.

Owning Bitcoin means you own a BTC.

Re: Vanguard Founder Jack Bogle Says ‘Avoid Bitcoin Like the Plague’

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"There is nothing to support bitcoin except the hope that you will sell it to someone for more than you paid for it.” Genuinely asking, isn't this the plan for many people? How is bitcoin different than other commodities or property in this regard? Would Bogle say the same thing about those investments?

If I buy stock in a company, and the company pays dividends, I get the dividend income until I sell the stock. That is, I bought a future income flow. Same thing if I bought an income-producing property.

Raw land? Non-income-producing property? Gold? Not so much.

Re: Vanguard Founder Jack Bogle Says ‘Avoid Bitcoin Like the Plague’

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“Bitcoin has no underlying rate of return,” said Bogle, 88, who started the first index fund in 1976. “You know bonds have an interest coupon, stocks have earnings and dividends, gold has nothing. There is nothing to support bitcoin except the hope that you will sell it to someone for more than you paid for it.” Didnt quite understand this quote - is he down on gold too?

At least gold is used in jewellery and electronics. What is bitcoin used for, except ransomware?

Re: Vanguard Founder Jack Bogle Says ‘Avoid Bitcoin Like the Plague’

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"There is nothing to support bitcoin except the hope that you will sell it to someone for more than you paid for it.” Genuinely asking, isn't this the plan for many people? How is bitcoin different than other commodities or property in this regard? Would Bogle say the same thing about those investments?

There is a big difference. If you buy wheat futures and nobody wants to buy them, you can take delivery of a bunch of wheat. If you buy investment real estate and nobody wants it, you can live in it, or build things on it. If you buy stock in a random Fortune 500 company and nobody wants it, you can take possession of a bunch of desks or factories or inventory or whatever their deal is. And if you take possession of a bunch of US currency you can be assured that you'll be able to use it to settle debts or pay your taxes as long as the US government is around and has better guns than everyone else.

Bitcoin is different from all those things.

Re: Vanguard Founder Jack Bogle Says ‘Avoid Bitcoin Like the Plague’

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“Bitcoin has no underlying rate of return,” said Bogle, 88, who started the first index fund in 1976. “You know bonds have an interest coupon, stocks have earnings and dividends, gold has nothing. There is nothing to support bitcoin except the hope that you will sell it to someone for more than you paid for it.” Didnt quite understand this quote - is he down on gold too?

Bitcoin is not a traditional investment, it is a speculative one.

Blockchain technology is not proprietary to bitcoin, so given this is fungible what value are you pricing in when buying bitcoin? Access to use bitcoin...

Re: Vanguard Founder Jack Bogle Says ‘Avoid Bitcoin Like the Plague’

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“Bitcoin has no underlying rate of return,” said Bogle, 88, who started the first index fund in 1976. “You know bonds have an interest coupon, stocks have earnings and dividends, gold has nothing. There is nothing to support bitcoin except the hope that you will sell it to someone for more than you paid for it.” Didnt quite understand this quote - is he down on gold too?

At least gold is used in jewellery and electronics. What is bitcoin used for, except ransomware?

I think you just convinced me to buy bitcoins.
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