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Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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I am certain a left leaning group is doing the same thing. Think moveon.org (in a different medium). They just negate each others extreme views.

I don't think they cancel each other out. Digg has an extremely conservative bias. Half the stories on the front page are basically "Global Warming Is A Hoax Because Jesus Wouldn't Let That Happen"

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Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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In what world does democracy include: voting with multiple identities, blocking others from participation, fabricating likes about others to to defame them, etc. Instead of jumping with a canned-response, take the time to read the very interesting article.

Naturally I read it. Part of the problem is that Digg is actively trying to prohibit political activity, and this drives groups like this underground and force them to use crazy tactics. My snide comment is that when you have a democracy, it's completely natural for people to band together to press their viewpoint, in fact that's the entire point, and the tone of the article is laughable.

Anyway I address multiple identities, but I don't understand how they're blocking other people from participation? Them mining enemies' old posts for TOS violations in order to get them banned, well, who's fault is that really.

Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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That's nothing, you should see what Google does to conservative news. Google is a pretty big shill for the Democratic party, has a former exec in the West Wing, and has been caught repeatedly spiking stories in their news site that are critical of the left. Also not sure I'd call this an extremist group. Ideological group perhaps, but extremist? Sure some of the members cited were bad apples (stalking, etc.), but yea…

This Google? The one with Jewish co-founders?

"The anti-Semitic web site “Jew Watch” appeared prominently in Google results for searches on the term “Jew,” prompting some Jewish groups to demand that Google remove the defamatory site from the top of its listings. Google refused."

http://www.momentmag.com/Exclusive/2007/2007-02/200702-BrinF...

Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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That's nothing, you should see what Google does to conservative news. Google is a pretty big shill for the Democratic party, has a former exec in the West Wing, and has been caught repeatedly spiking stories in their news site that are critical of the left. Also not sure I'd call this an extremist group. Ideological group perhaps, but extremist? Sure some of the members cited were bad apples (stalking, etc.), but yea…

The bit about American media shilling for the left is quite a funny troll.

Admittedly I might be wrong as I don't live in that country, but American media and politics seems to consist of the right and the further right.

Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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In what world does democracy include: voting with multiple identities, blocking others from participation, fabricating likes about others to to defame them, etc. Instead of jumping with a canned-response, take the time to read the very interesting article.

Chicago? The antebellum South? And plenty of other elections, at every level, in every country?

Seriously, while it's not part of the democratic ideal, cheating is rampant in practice. You've got to stay vigilant any time you're trying to poll a group of specifically-enfrancised people.

Some amount of intentional coordination is to be expected and even celebrated, if you trust the 'wisdom of crowds', but not to the point of falsifying votes/identities or using falsehoods to deter/negate others' votes.

Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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That's nothing, you should see what Google does to conservative news. Google is a pretty big shill for the Democratic party, has a former exec in the West Wing, and has been caught repeatedly spiking stories in their news site that are critical of the left. Also not sure I'd call this an extremist group. Ideological group perhaps, but extremist? Sure some of the members cited were bad apples (stalking, etc.), but yea…

The bit about American media shilling for the left is quite a funny troll. Admittedly I might be wrong as I don't live in that country, but American media and politics seems to consist of the right and the further right.

As a Canadian living in the US I'm constantly amused at the left/right divide here. Left wing politics in this country would, in any other western nation, be considered centrist (if not a little to the right), and right-wing politics here would be fairly extreme right in most other places.

Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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That's nothing, you should see what Google does to conservative news. Google is a pretty big shill for the Democratic party, has a former exec in the West Wing, and has been caught repeatedly spiking stories in their news site that are critical of the left. Also not sure I'd call this an extremist group. Ideological group perhaps, but extremist? Sure some of the members cited were bad apples (stalking, etc.), but yea…

Sorry, could you cite where Google has been caught "spiking stories in their news site that are critical of the left"? I'm deeply interested in censorship and feel that this would be a pretty big story.

How would it be a big story? Fox "spikes" stories that aren't even true, and are critical to the right every day. A lot of it ends up as fodder for the Daily Show.

Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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That's nothing, you should see what Google does to conservative news. Google is a pretty big shill for the Democratic party, has a former exec in the West Wing, and has been caught repeatedly spiking stories in their news site that are critical of the left. Also not sure I'd call this an extremist group. Ideological group perhaps, but extremist? Sure some of the members cited were bad apples (stalking, etc.), but yea…

The article is coming true! Look, this comment was telling me new things that I didn't know about google and what's happened? It's been censored from me by people (no doubt some sort of google maffia) "burying" it.

Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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I think if you delve a little bit deeper, you'll find it might be a stretch to call these activities democratic. Falsely reporting and accusing users in an effort to squelch their viewpoints, for instance, may be normal for politicians but bears no resemblance to any honest democratic process.

Agree, that kind of specific behavior is really not cool. I think though the idea of trying to uplift or bury a story through organized voting is fine.

Vote up? Sure. Bury? No, since burying it in "record time" denies other people the opportunity to vote on it.

Re: Extremist group tries to game Digg

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Sorry, could you cite where Google has been caught "spiking stories in their news site that are critical of the left"? I'm deeply interested in censorship and feel that this would be a pretty big story.

How would it be a big story? Fox "spikes" stories that aren't even true, and are critical to the right every day. A lot of it ends up as fodder for the Daily Show.

Because Google's job is to help you find what you are looking for, not provide you with an editorialized curation of information. Fox News, or any other major network for that matter, is not obligated to provide you with unedited information. Their express role is curation.
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