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Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

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Re: Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

#21
People should not see cryptocrruencies as a stock market, you should not expect any ROI, it's not a placement.

Cryptocrruencies (for me) are meant to be used, exchanged, a good metric to value a cryptocrruencie should be the 'cash flow (? exchange of money per unit of time)'.

Bitcoin is actually inefficient with its high transaction fees.

Re: Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

#22
Attempting price/earnings analysis here is not sensible, because bitcoin is not a stock: simply owning some doesn't earn you any "dividends" (mining rewards).

A better parallel is gold, which is a store of value that produces nothing of value for its owners, but is valuable because the supply is limited and there's a collective belief that this shiny metal is worth much more than its practical uses.

Bitcoin is going up because of those same properties. If supply ever becomes unlimited (say, there's a critical bug found), or its investors lose faith, it will crash.

Re: Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

#23

Old saying: "What's common in every bubble is the belief that this time, it will be different." -> if you invest in cryptocurrencies, make sure not to invest more than you can comfortably lose (probably a few percent of your overall funds).

I think it amusing that the value of all 90s dot com IPOs were $44 billion. If that's accurate then it sounds like the dot com market as a whole was a bargain, because Google alone is worth >$700 billion and Amazon is worth >$500 billion.

Re: Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

#24

The idea is great, but in reality these stupid crypto coins are practically useless and wasting HUGE amounts of resources. Bitcoin is said to be consuming as much power a some countries, and still rising fast, while the amount of transactions is comically low compared to the power consumption. Bitcoin in its current state can never be a thing to actually buy something with. I don't see any other long-term use for bit…

It's (looking like it's turning out to become) digital gold. When is the last time you bought a family dinner with gold?

Re: Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

#26
post #12

> Take dot-com stocks, which were the biggest bubble of the past few decades, and likely the largest in stock market history. At the height of the dot-com stock bubble, the technology-heavy Nasdaq stock index had a price-to-earnings ratio of 175. In the past year, bitcoins have generated transaction fees of nearly $219 million. And at $9,600 a piece, the total value of all bitcoins -- their market cap -- now tops $15…

> What kind of logic is that? Holding bitcoin doesn't give you any earnings.

Well, holding USD gives you inflation (i.e., negative interest).

Holding BTC doesn't (assuming the 21 mn are already priced in).

Re: Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

#27

Was the collapse of the German Deutsche Mark, the Zimbabwean Dollar, the Venezuelan Bollivar a bubble too? Good money drives bad money out, so I’d argue that no, Bitcoin’s price is not a bubble. Clearly there’s no price that bitcoin holders will sell at so they’re clearly exiting the USD ecosystem. I think the logical fallacy that’s occuring right now with critics of bitcoin’s price rise is that all bubbles has drama…

Bitcoin has scarcity, but so does Litecoin or Bitcoin Cash What makes Bitcoin special?

Network effect - same thing for Facebook. The more valuable bitcoin is the more secure and more resilient. Thus purely by price appreciation bitcoin is doing hiperbitcoinization - once people realize that fundamental value of fiat currency is a myth, more fiat currencies will collapse

Re: Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

#28
> bitcoins have generated transaction fees of nearly $219 million. And at $9,600 a piece, the total value of all bitcoins -- their market cap -- now tops $155 billion. That gives bitcoins the equivalent of a trailing P/E ratio of 708.

Absurdly idiotic analogy, as holding the underlying is in no way related to the revenues that miners earn.

Re: Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

#29

Was the collapse of the German Deutsche Mark, the Zimbabwean Dollar, the Venezuelan Bollivar a bubble too? Good money drives bad money out, so I’d argue that no, Bitcoin’s price is not a bubble. Clearly there’s no price that bitcoin holders will sell at so they’re clearly exiting the USD ecosystem. I think the logical fallacy that’s occuring right now with critics of bitcoin’s price rise is that all bubbles has drama…

> Good money drives bad money out

what? dude that's some serious misinformation you're spreading here

Re: Bitcoin Bubble Makes Dot-Com Look Rational

#30
AFAICT transaction fees aren't the reason someone "invests" or buys bitcoin, if you buy bitcoin you don't get a fraction of those fees. If you want that you should invest in mining, so I think the initial part of the analysis is flawled.

The second part looks like nothing to say, backed by a lot of non sensical numbers, but I'm not a native english speaker and also generally don't read nor like economic "analysis", so I may be wrong

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