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post #81

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I upvoted you for historical merit but the meaning of words change. Third world means poor countries now.

> Third world means poor countries now. A citation would be nice. Also, what countries would be second-world with that definition? EDIT: Note that I asked what countries would be SECOND-world with this definition. Not third-world.

>A citation would be nice.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

>Also, what countries would be second-world with that definition?

In present-day English, the Third World is "the developing countries of Europe, Asia, Latin America, and Africa".[1] Third world countries in Europe, Latin America, Asia, and Africa include Russia, Albania, Nigeria, India, Pakistan, Indonesia, Dominican Republic, Cuba, South Africa, and Armenia. The term usually suggests poverty and low level of industrial development and thus it is the opposite of the term developed nations. This usage is considered by some to be offensive.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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It's probably just an algorithm misfiring. I don't like the censorship approach to combat miss information, I think the problem is digitising social interactions without including the social safeguard dynamics. What I mean is, the problem is not the malicious information but the lack of accountability for those who introduce the fake information. In a real life, if someone starts a false rumour, although the virility…

LOL, 2 posts about this on HN top!? really!?

Really what?

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

#104

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> But that's no justification for putting on masks and beating up random people. Nor is it an excuse for encouraging others to do the same. The problem is, until those in powers are not afraid that their bodies will literally be dragged through the streets, they have no incentive to not do anything they need to stay in power. And the more authoritarian the rule of those in power is, the greater the desire of those no…

Sure, hate the rich, it doesn't prove you have compassion for the poor. What you are stating as a threat is really the 'protection' of private property. Something that a poor person has access to as well, and in fact the utilization of such could allow them to come out of poverty. As far as your remarks on power, I hope you also understand it isn't a replacement for a hierarchy built on competence. Something that the…

> Something that a poor person has access to as well

I doubt this. When the other side has orders of magnitude more money than you, you don't have access to protection by the legal system - this is the very reason why and how, for example, patent trolls stay in business.

> and in fact the utilization of such could allow them to come out of poverty

You're talking about trickle-down effect, I guess? That's been proven false. When all the employers pay only the least they have to, you won't ever get out of poverty. What could help is strikes, but union busting has taken care of that "problem" for the employers.

> it isn't a replacement for a hierarchy built on competence

Competence does not seem to be rewarded as much as it was in ye olde times. Look at who is in government right now: certainly not the experts that the US needs, and in Europe the situation doesn't look much better...

(for the record, given your question above: I have not downvoted you)

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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> But that's no justification for putting on masks and beating up random people. Nor is it an excuse for encouraging others to do the same. The problem is, until those in powers are not afraid that their bodies will literally be dragged through the streets, they have no incentive to not do anything they need to stay in power. And the more authoritarian the rule of those in power is, the greater the desire of those no…

When the revolution comes for your head, too, you might have a different view on that, and history has shown that to happen time and time again.

History also shows that nobody ever believes that will happen, right up until it does.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

#108
I think what many people don't know or understand, is that facebook is not the internet.

So when you write something at facebook you ask a company to host your story under their domain. And as the company is held responsible for what they host, they have to review everything before publishing it.

When we wrote forum posts back in the day, it was no different. If the forum operator didn't like what you wrote, he just deleted your post. So if you wanted to post something nobody wanted on his website you just made your own website.

And so it is today. Unless you want to periodically write hate posts you should be able to find a web hoster or ISP to share your opinion with the world. The only misconception is that because facebook is such a large 'forum', everybody thinks it cuts his right of free speech when facebook does not want to host his opinion.

Yes, I know that many people use facebook as their primary means of communication and that therefore their channel to the world is 'censored'. And Actually I have no simple solution to this problem, as my solution would involve to not use facebook in the first place.

So I think there is a difference between a moderated facebook 'forum' and a censored internet, which some countries have and which is a real danger to the freedom of speech.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

#109

I'm a Romanian and I can confirm that posts and accounts have been blocked, probably because of being reported by the other side. On the other hand, folks, this is a little reminder that censorship is a doubly edged knife ;-) So next time you call for censoring "fake news", think again, because it's not you who will benefit from it. A couple of years back I was enthusiastic about the rise of social media for informin…

I think the cost borne by propagandists from censorship is higher than those organizing protests like those Romania appears to be facing.

Censoring modern propaganda greatly limits the damage it can cause, while protestors have more traditional ways of organizing their protests.

I am not a fan of censorship but it appears some fraction of credulous humanity requires it to maintain at least a tenuous grasp of reality.

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