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What if consciousness is not what drives the human mind?

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Re: What if consciousness is not what drives the human mind?

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"I do not believe in freedom of the will. Schopenhauer's words: "Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wills" accompany me in all situations throughout my life." Albert Einstein

We're free to choose according to our desire but not free to change what we desire

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Re: What if consciousness is not what drives the human mind?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Assuming that I'm speaking to someone of Western European descent, I see no reason to jettison the tradition that your ancestors (i.e. people with similar genetic, cultural, and temperamental factors) slowly developed over time in order to experiment with random things unless you are specifically anti-Christian. The truth is that spirituality can be quite dangerous if you do the wrong things, and if you're gonna star…

Should your ancestors have stuck to their traditions, instead of adopting the foreign Christianity? It's absolutely ok to be anti-Christian (i.e critical of Christian doctrine). I agree with you that the enthusiasm towards other traditions of spirituality is perplexing, but I would disagree that Christianity offers any sort of more valuable refuge.

Well, that's an interesting question, and it's helping me to realize that my arguments have been quite muddled and imprecise. In the case of my ancestors, there are a few points I think are relevant. One, Christianity was a split from a several thousand years old religion, and two, my ancestors presumably joined it under the regular supervision of teachers in this faith. So even though I mixed these two points together and lost sight of my middle argument, I would agree that joining Buddhism or Islam or something under the supervision of a competent and sane teacher (and you do have to be careful here, same goes for Christianity) would likely be safer than doing drugs and miscellaneous religious practices you read about from the internet. But I guess I'm worried about the number of crazy teachers in all religions now that we're discussing this. I guess I just think everyone should take this stuff with a bit of respect and stay safe.

Re: What if consciousness is not what drives the human mind?

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"I do not believe in freedom of the will. Schopenhauer's words: "Man can do what he wants, but he cannot will what he wills" accompany me in all situations throughout my life." Albert Einstein

This is the first time I've seen a quote of a quote. You just squared my hatred for quotes.

Don't blame him. The laws of physics forced him to post that. He had no say in the matter.

Re: What if consciousness is not what drives the human mind?

#94
post #55

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don't believe in free will, to a large extent, and this doesn't stop me from trying to do good. So, you believe in free will.

I feel like this issue needs more clarification. Say you have complete disbelief in free will. Without free will, you just carry out a path which is already predetermined. In other words, you just carry out your destiny. It can be the case that you are destined to 'try to do good'. You do not choose to do good, you do good because it is in your nature. More generally: Regardless of belief, people are confronted with…

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