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Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by throwaway613834 »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #55
jotm wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evolve to what? The government isn't afraid, so why would they do anything for people? People were literally bombed for wanting better worker's rights a century ago, apparently it's time for that again?

Get in government, dedicate yourself to public service. Violence is the lazy and cowardly way out. You can't beat your opponent so you beat them up. When I say evolve, we're not the apes in 2001 anymore are we? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=strWmj-vZ88

> Get in government, dedicate yourself to public service.

Notwithstanding the conclusion, the argument is a bit naïve. It's not like we have third party candidates winning left and right. There are established players who crush outside competition, regardless of the quality of the candidates. And there's no guarantee that even if you have any influence, you'll see the benefit in your lifetime. The idea that every problem can be solved peacefully isn't a bad one, but it's just something you have to accept in faith, not something you can ground in truth. Pretending that simply being dedicated to a good cause is all it takes to fix a problem entirely misses why people are proposing other paths in the first place.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by simion314 »

danra wrote: post #67

It's probably just Facebook's AI thinking that protesting against the government is dangerously close to suicide, and so protecting its users accordingly.

Your comment is bad, even for a bad sub-reddit standard, the joke is not funny and the only danger after such protests this days is that the prime minster will have to resign if the protests are not handled correctly.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by trhway »

aaron-lebo wrote: post #55
jotm wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Evolve to what? The government isn't afraid, so why would they do anything for people? People were literally bombed for wanting better worker's rights a century ago, apparently it's time for that again?

Get in government, dedicate yourself to public service. Violence is the lazy and cowardly way out. You can't beat your opponent so you beat them up. When I say evolve, we're not the apes in 2001 anymore are we? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=strWmj-vZ88

>Get in government, dedicate yourself to public service.

playing by the rules of the game one can play varying game sessions, yet the chess will stay chess and Go will stay Go. Rules define the game. The set of available scenarios under given rules either covers the target outcome or not. In case of the latter the rules change is needed, and the given rules may not allow for the necessary rules change.

>Violence is the lazy and cowardly way out.

if only somebody of that group of lazy cowards applied for the Colonies tea tax collector position 244 years ago... though even if a one applied and was accepted, then what? I'd be really interested to learn your thoughts on that matter.

Btw, interesting that after that violence, a pretty successful rules were written by many the same people - those rules have been working for those 2+ centuries since then allowing for the society to successfully adjust to and frequently lead the changes in our civilization during that time with only one major violence outbreak related to the rules.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by katastic »

mschuster91 wrote: post #48
wolco wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Violence? Drag his body down the street? Attacking innocent people until everyone does what you say? Those groups get labelled terrorist. That is the difference between a first world country and a second or third. Some people may hate trump but they also know in a few years people will have the option of voting for someone else. When you change leaders by dragging them down a street you get the types of leaders who w…

> Some people may hate trump but they also know in a few years people will have the option of voting for someone else. This is the thing where I am not sure of, and this is the problem. You remember "Lock her up"? Who can guarantee that Trump is not going to follow through on this promise? Who can guarantee that Trump will not again cooperate with the Russians in order to get reelected? Or for what its worth who can…

>You remember "Lock her up"? Who can guarantee that Trump is not going to follow through on this promise?

1) He hasn't in over a year of office.

2) He can't do anything that overrides the judicial and legislative branches. Which is why ALL of his major plans go no where. No Muslim ban. No reproductive rights changes. Nothing.

3) If she commits crimes, why should she be above jail time? Shouldn't everyone who major commits crimes be in jail? Trump, Hillary, what's the difference? A crime is a crime--regardless of whether you like that candidate.

And back to #2. That is why your worldview is both insane, and dangerous. Even when you have a "Bad president" the rest of the country keeps ticking along fine because the other branches are designed from the ground up to prevent dictators of all types.

So you basically just want to burn the country to the ground because "your candidate" didn't win. And that's a horrific reason to plunge a country into chaos. You're basically arguing to plunge the country into the very chaos you claim we're already in.

Dragging bodies through the streets? Burning down buildings, and neighborhoods? Smoke bombs? Throwing bottles of piss at veterans? Does that sound like something that brings freedom and liberty and peace? Does utopia come from evil? And how in the world can you be sure "your vision" of utopia is going to be the one that comes when you pull a revolution? You think when you destabilize the most powerful country in the world, that nobody else in the world is going to try and swoop into that power vacuum?

Only if you've been drinking the coolaid.

So let me end with a quote from Bill Clinton:

    They need to be for something specific 
    and not just against something because
    if you’re just against something, 
    somebody else will fill the vacuum 
    you create.”

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by mtgx »

thedevil wrote: post #21
rdtsc wrote: post #5

I was joking before and said that it is inevitable that Facebook, Google and Twitter will eventually sell SaaS (Silencing as a Service). But maybe it wasn't a joke after all... It is simply too tempting to not do it. They have information which the Stasis and KGBs of the past would kill for. One thing Romanian government should be careful with is not listening to protesters. That is at least one country where they ha…

> Occupy and anti-Trump protestors should study and learn how that works. You see to have effective peaceful protests, there has to be a credible threat of extreme and overwhelming violence that will follow unless the government listens. Government should be afraid of the people. Please don't encourage violence. The anti-Trumpers aren't fighting corruption, they're fighting democracy and their fellow citizens. Note t…

But the threat of violence is what seems to work:

https://www.vox.com/2015/4/30/8518681/protests-riots-work

Many Americans like to whine about their gun rights because they need the guns to fight an oppressive government! But it seems the U.S. government has gotten away with quite a lot lately in terms of how corrupt they've become and the fact that so many Americans own guns doesn't seem to have deterred them too much.

In fact, every protest seems to be met with increasingly more violence from the government. Something tells me they aren't too scared at all about people's guns. I can only imagine how they will act when they start allowing police departments to launch drones against protesters in the future (taser-armed, pepper spray-armed, whatever).

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by mc32 »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #58
wolco wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Violence? Drag his body down the street? Attacking innocent people until everyone does what you say? Those groups get labelled terrorist. That is the difference between a first world country and a second or third. Some people may hate trump but they also know in a few years people will have the option of voting for someone else. When you change leaders by dragging them down a street you get the types of leaders who w…

> Violence? [...] That is the difference between a first world country and a second or third. "Third-world" doesn't mean what you think it means. Switzerland is a third-world country.

In parlance 3rd world didn't just mean non aligned as it did in political circles, for the hoi polloi it just meant underdeveloped economy --whether that was misuse of the term is irrelevant because that's how most people used it when a politically bipolar world existed.

Re: Facebook users in Romania see content related to street protests reviewed

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Post by bjelkeman-again »

throwaway613834 wrote: post #58
wolco wrote: post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Violence? Drag his body down the street? Attacking innocent people until everyone does what you say? Those groups get labelled terrorist. That is the difference between a first world country and a second or third. Some people may hate trump but they also know in a few years people will have the option of voting for someone else. When you change leaders by dragging them down a street you get the types of leaders who w…

> Violence? [...] That is the difference between a first world country and a second or third. "Third-world" doesn't mean what you think it means. Switzerland is a third-world country.

Interesting. I have never met anyone in Europe that uses the term that way, but apparently it was used that way in some contexts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Third_World

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