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Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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A quick review of UK print media 1) The Times - Rupert Murdoch mouthpiece. Employs MP Michael Gove for £100k a year after he was sacked for being a backstabber. 2) The Mail - "The EU and immigrants want to kill your children and sleep with your sister and may even affect your house price". Billionaire owner too. 3) The Telegraph - "The Torygraph" former paper of the ruling classes, now mouth piece of two weird billio…

You missed the i.

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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Josh Marshall at Talking Points Memo recently wrote about the crisis in online journalism and its ad-based model.

http://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/theres-a-digital-media-c...

Basically, advertisers are asking/paying for more video content, but readers/viewers don't actually want it, which is a disaster waiting to happen.

Also, the market is flooded with VC-backed publications (Buzzfeed, Axios, ...) dumping free content on readers in an attempt to achieve scale, and those publications are also failing to hit their targets.

https://www.cnbc.com/2017/11/16/buzzfeed-ipo-stymied-as-reve...

It's hard to compete against free...

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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I've been told that the paper newspaper has better content than the website.

People always overplay the comment sections when they complain about the Guardian. In the physical paper comment makes up a handful of pages, but online because comment is free (to borrow a phrase) it can expand massively, and ad nauseam. They are silly, but the comment sections are also incidental to the rest of the newspaper.

I hope that being supported by subscriptions also means that they can dial back the sensationalism. I want to support papers which aren't screaming in my face all the time, and which support a better society.

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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Now imagine how much more they'd make if they actually published quality material instead of culture war clickbait and freshman opinion pieces. 'Member when The Guardian was one of the outlets boldly reporting the Snowden and Manning leaks? I member. Right now on their front page I can read how democracy is being undermined "by not distinguishing between fact and opinion". And you know what? They're right on this fro…

The Guardian is the only British newspaper that genuinely makes me laugh. Every now and then it gets so tied up in knots with its internal contradictions that it intellectually implodes. Corbyn's been the main cause of that recently. Even the leftie journalists were starting to get a bit twitchy that he might actually do something leftie. As I'm writing this, the UK edition is leading with Prince Harry marrying (pres…

It's the Independent that was the overtly republican paper, I'm not sure if the Guardian is?

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Note that Guardian is successful, because of "supporters" and not >subscribers<. It's different than WSJ, where they lock the content, until you pay. The Guardian way looks more like the Wikipedia one.

> The Guardian way looks more like the Wikipedia one Have any newspapers experimented with crowd-funding stories? This Niemanlabs report suggests none of the big names had as of Sept 2016 - http://niemanreports.org/articles/crowdfunding-the-news/ - wonder if that's changed?

There are also “De Correspondent” [1] in the Netherlands, which inspired “Krautreporter” [2] in Germany and “Republik” [3] in Switzerland. Both De Correspondent and Republik set new records for crowd-funding in journalism, with the latter raising on the order of 3.5M USD. These projects used crowd-funding as initial funding though, and not for individual stories. Their ongoing financing is based on paid subscriptions.

[1] https://decorrespondent.nl/ [2] https://krautreporter.de/ [3] https://www.republik.ch/

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Our right wing is at least two orders of magnitude more corrupt than our left wing. How is that?

Maybe this is easier to understand when looking across the borders, to the extremists. Here in Germany I often hear the phrase: "Left extremists set fire to cars, right extremists set fire to people." Of course this is oversimplified, yet there is quite some truth in it.

A right wing extremist would technically be more like someone who destroys traffic lights and stop signs. The political left believes in the idea of government and authority, the right wants to be left alone.

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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A quick review of UK print media 1) The Times - Rupert Murdoch mouthpiece. Employs MP Michael Gove for £100k a year after he was sacked for being a backstabber. 2) The Mail - "The EU and immigrants want to kill your children and sleep with your sister and may even affect your house price". Billionaire owner too. 3) The Telegraph - "The Torygraph" former paper of the ruling classes, now mouth piece of two weird billio…

Well, if we're doing quick parody headlines as stand-ins, it's actually impossible to out-Guardian the Guardian:

"I dread the day my daughter's poos get smaller" https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2013/aug/08/dread-...

"Tea is a national disgrace"

"Robots are racist and sexist, just like the people who created them"

In any case, good on them for proving out this revenue model, hopefully it's sustainable and we see gigantic yellow-orange beg-boxes on more online media (seriously)

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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A quick review of UK print media 1) The Times - Rupert Murdoch mouthpiece. Employs MP Michael Gove for £100k a year after he was sacked for being a backstabber. 2) The Mail - "The EU and immigrants want to kill your children and sleep with your sister and may even affect your house price". Billionaire owner too. 3) The Telegraph - "The Torygraph" former paper of the ruling classes, now mouth piece of two weird billio…

The Telegraph's political editor resigned because (he claims) the paper spiked stories about HSBC, after they threatened to pull advertising. So there's that as well. Alongside Murdoch's control of the Times, it's a pity there isn't a more decent centre-right paper.

Re: Asking members to support journalism, The Guardian raises more revenue than ads

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A quick review of UK print media 1) The Times - Rupert Murdoch mouthpiece. Employs MP Michael Gove for £100k a year after he was sacked for being a backstabber. 2) The Mail - "The EU and immigrants want to kill your children and sleep with your sister and may even affect your house price". Billionaire owner too. 3) The Telegraph - "The Torygraph" former paper of the ruling classes, now mouth piece of two weird billio…

As a literally card-carrying socialist, i'd pick the Financial Times over the Guardian. They write about stuff that is actually important, in what seems like an intelligent and even-handed way. And the pages of bond prices are good for standing your muddy boots on.

I grew up in a Guardian-reading household, and i want to like it, but it's too full of self-absorbed middle-class metropolitan smugness. And i'm a smug self-absorbed middle-class metropolitan, so i should know.

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