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Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by simias »

ccozan wrote: post #79
simias wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand, what is?

Exaggerated promotion/excitement for a certain thing/tech in a short time. Which then suddenly disappears when another new think/tech is announced.

Ah I see. My point was that in this case the hype was maybe a bit early, the tech was way too expensive for anything but wealthy early adopters up until a few months ago. I see that Oculus has announced the "Go", set to release early next year at $199. At this price it's no longer early adopter tech.

I'm sure when these affordable VR sets are coming out the vendors are going to make a marketing push, preferably coupled with some big game releases.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by pault »

JulianMorrison wrote: post #69
simias wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AWS was reusing their existing infrastructure and expertise and opening it up to 3rd parties. I'm unclear why Amazon needs a custom game engine. They must have some plans to enter this area, maybe make their own VR headsets?

Given the hype about running games virtualized in AWS, no it is not unclear. Amazon wants a game engine native to their cloud, rather than a PC engine running on virtualized hardware, so people can start thinking really big about VR or games, rather than "one machine at a time" models.

I think this is one of those things that nobody expects that will be obvious in hindsight. Offloading rendering and game logic/AI to a massively parallel server network will allow MMOGs to break new ground in world complexity and persistence, and sell subscriptions to more people that can't afford dedicated gaming machines.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by bhouston »

pen2l wrote: post #90
bhouston wrote: post #85

This is clearly based on Goo Create, which went bankrupt a few years ago: https://goocreate.com I never figured out how bought the assets as it was never announced. Take this screenshot of AWS Sumerian: https://media.amazonwebservices.com/blog/2017/Sumerian-07-Ma... And this screenshot of Goo Create: https://learn.goocreate.com/manual/editor/create-ui.png They are the same. Here is a side-by-side image of the two: ht…

Saying they're the same is like saying Notepad2 and Sublime are the same, both have status bars which indicate place in text, both support copy+pasting of text, etc. If you have a 3d modeling program of some sort, of course it will have an object manager which shows components like your model, the lights, the sky, a position box that tells you current size/rotation information of whatever component, your current view…

You do not understand. I am not saying it is similar or inspired, it is the same app.

I assure you I am not mistaken in this claim.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by FanaHOVA »

simias wrote: post #44
avar wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Is Amazon really getting value > out of all the dev time they are > putting into building game engines? What an odd way to think about projects like these. It seems obvious that the answer is "of course not, yet ". You could have asked the same question about AWS in 2001. Why is a bookstore putting all this effort into some online hosting platform for third parties?

AWS was reusing their existing infrastructure and expertise and opening it up to 3rd parties. I'm unclear why Amazon needs a custom game engine. They must have some plans to enter this area, maybe make their own VR headsets?

Amazon owns Twitch and presented the Twitch Launcher not too long ago, which is basically a Steam competitor. Game engines are probably gonna be given for free to devs to build games specifically on this platform.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by philtar »

pen2l wrote: post #90
bhouston wrote: post #85

This is clearly based on Goo Create, which went bankrupt a few years ago: https://goocreate.com I never figured out how bought the assets as it was never announced. Take this screenshot of AWS Sumerian: https://media.amazonwebservices.com/blog/2017/Sumerian-07-Ma... And this screenshot of Goo Create: https://learn.goocreate.com/manual/editor/create-ui.png They are the same. Here is a side-by-side image of the two: ht…

Saying they're the same is like saying Notepad2 and Sublime are the same, both have status bars which indicate place in text, both support copy+pasting of text, etc. If you have a 3d modeling program of some sort, of course it will have an object manager which shows components like your model, the lights, the sky, a position box that tells you current size/rotation information of whatever component, your current view…

I don't know why you have to be so condescending with your comment, but as someone who has used Goo Create, I am willing to bet money that it is the same app.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by WhiteNoiz3 »

modeless wrote: post #3

Looks heavily influenced by Unity. Kinda random that Amazon is building a web based Unity competitor. Doubly weird when you consider that this is their second game engine project. They are already building one called Amazon Lumberyard, forked from the serious AAA game engine CryEngine [1], and it appears at first glance to be entirely separate from this one. Is Amazon really getting value out of all the dev time they…

I think the answer is that none of the big companies want to be completely left behind when it comes to the big three technologies (AR / VR / AI). Even though they don't have any big VR or AR hardware this is a way to say they're investing in the space and carving out a niche. They see these engines as a way to sell AWS offerings. One area being servers for games, another being bots and AI and a third being hosting for immersive media. Some immersive technologies will have huge requirements in terms of bandwidth (for instance, offering high def 360 video with lightfields or depth information). They haven't come to fruition yet, but in a decade, who knows?

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by pen2l »

philtar wrote: post #95
pen2l wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Saying they're the same is like saying Notepad2 and Sublime are the same, both have status bars which indicate place in text, both support copy+pasting of text, etc. If you have a 3d modeling program of some sort, of course it will have an object manager which shows components like your model, the lights, the sky, a position box that tells you current size/rotation information of whatever component, your current view…

I don't know why you have to be so condescending with your comment, but as someone who has used Goo Create, I am willing to bet money that it is the same app.

Hm, was I really condescending in my comment? I've gone back to re-read it and it doesn't strike me as condescending, indeed when I wrote the comment I wrote it simply in a matter-of-factly way with no emotion.

But maybe I slipped. Can you please point out which part was condescending? (serious request; am interested in improving my written speech to be both clear and not condescending in any way)

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by watty »

bhouston wrote: post #85

This is clearly based on Goo Create, which went bankrupt a few years ago: https://goocreate.com I never figured out how bought the assets as it was never announced. Take this screenshot of AWS Sumerian: https://media.amazonwebservices.com/blog/2017/Sumerian-07-Ma... And this screenshot of Goo Create: https://learn.goocreate.com/manual/editor/create-ui.png They are the same. Here is a side-by-side image of the two: ht…

Do you have any more proof? You keep saying it "IS" Goo Create but based off of what? These screenshots are similar, sure... but far from proof.

It looks like you have experience in the industry, it'd be helpful if you laid out a bit more explanation because clearly you have more info.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by watty »

pen2l wrote: post #97
philtar wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know why you have to be so condescending with your comment, but as someone who has used Goo Create, I am willing to bet money that it is the same app.

Hm, was I really condescending in my comment? I've gone back to re-read it and it doesn't strike me as condescending, indeed when I wrote the comment I wrote it simply in a matter-of-factly way with no emotion. But maybe I slipped. Can you please point out which part was condescending? (serious request; am interested in improving my written speech to be both clear and not condescending in any way)

For what it's worth, I didn't find your comment condescending at all and was puzzled at that remark.

Re: Amazon Sumerian: A way to create VR, AR, and 3D experiences

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Post by jackhack »

nautilus12 wrote: post #62

All that nerd culture love stuff in the beginning bugged me enough that I didnt want to read the rest of the article. For some of us this is a career and we dont really play into to the whole nerd is beautiful movement.

Same here, it turns me away. If somebody has to tell me what a cool geek girl they are to try and buy credibility, then they are already losing. Maybe I'm just cynical, but my BS detector starts alerting. A real technologist doesn't have to advertise the fact.

I'd rather just read what the author has to say and not even notice who is behind the keyboard.

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