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Laptops Are Great, But Not During a Lecture or a Meeting

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This story was posted 5 times within the past 3 days (never by me). I was wondering why it never took off because it’s one of those HN stories. Anyway, Monday morning at 7am EST seemed to do the trick.

For anyone wondering why their stories don’t initially gain traction, timing is important.

Re: Laptops Are Great, But Not During a Lecture or a Meeting

#12
I think it's better to take notes with a pen and paper, because you need to summarize what you hear, and you can't just write everything.

This helps a lot the learning process, because summarizing makes you understand better the content, and the relations between concepts

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For a very long time in university, I never took notes and suffered nothing for it. Near the end, the only exceptions were classes taught from very succinct paper material where a lot of supplementary examples were only treated in lectures and so complicated as not to be (easily) found on the internet.

Beyond that I always got a much better return on paying more attention to the lecture, and trying to see how what is told fits with what I know rather than how to fit it into my notes.

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I will sit there in a meeting (or retrospectively in a university lecture) and regularly derive nothing of value at all from my notes, be they written or typed. It's the media that is wrong, not the note taking medium. You can't rewind a meeting or a lecture. You can't pause to think. You can't review the text in the middle. Everything is immediate, transient. If you lose the pace, then everything after that point is…

Note taking exists to combat what you're talking about. You can improve your note taking, and how you use your notes, on paper or on a device.

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I have long known this to be the case for myself, and switched back to pen and paper for taking notes. I also learned shorthand to reduce the amount of time and mental effort I spend on taking notes, though I sometimes revert to longhand when I need something to be more readable. It is also great for diagrams, math notation, etc. Touchscreens may someday get there, but so far I have found that even the best touchscre…

if I am taking a course on a new unfamiliar subject I copy relevant material from the textbook into a handwritten journal before each lecture, which makes it much easier to pay attention to the teacher and catch all of their side comments (such as caveats on when to use various methods)

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I will sit there in a meeting (or retrospectively in a university lecture) and regularly derive nothing of value at all from my notes, be they written or typed. It's the media that is wrong, not the note taking medium. You can't rewind a meeting or a lecture. You can't pause to think. You can't review the text in the middle. Everything is immediate, transient. If you lose the pace, then everything after that point is…

Agree 100%. I went to college before tablets and affordable laptops became ubiquitous, but the same problem applied to handwritten notes. After a few tries to keep notes and re-read them at my leisure I gave up, it was exhausting to take them and in the end I was missing too much.

The best solution is audio/video recording. I think every lecturer can record their lectures and publish them online later in the college's database or wherever. Cheap, easy and you don't have to worry about taking notes and missing anything

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I will sit there in a meeting (or retrospectively in a university lecture) and regularly derive nothing of value at all from my notes, be they written or typed. It's the media that is wrong, not the note taking medium. You can't rewind a meeting or a lecture. You can't pause to think. You can't review the text in the middle. Everything is immediate, transient. If you lose the pace, then everything after that point is…

Agree 100%. I went to college before tablets and affordable laptops became ubiquitous, but the same problem applied to handwritten notes. After a few tries to keep notes and re-read them at my leisure I gave up, it was exhausting to take them and in the end I was missing too much. The best solution is audio/video recording. I think every lecturer can record their lectures and publish them online later in the college'…

> publish them online later

Note that you also need to have someone add captions to them for accessibility.

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I will sit there in a meeting (or retrospectively in a university lecture) and regularly derive nothing of value at all from my notes, be they written or typed. It's the media that is wrong, not the note taking medium. You can't rewind a meeting or a lecture. You can't pause to think. You can't review the text in the middle. Everything is immediate, transient. If you lose the pace, then everything after that point is…

Sounds like ADHD.

Or a too hard course. Or a bad lecturer. Or you skipped the previous lecture and it's all gibberish again.

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I will sit there in a meeting (or retrospectively in a university lecture) and regularly derive nothing of value at all from my notes, be they written or typed. It's the media that is wrong, not the note taking medium. You can't rewind a meeting or a lecture. You can't pause to think. You can't review the text in the middle. Everything is immediate, transient. If you lose the pace, then everything after that point is…

Note taking exists to combat what you're talking about. You can improve your note taking, and how you use your notes, on paper or on a device.

Also I'd say you _can_ pause a lecture. Simply lift up your hand and ask a question: That's the great thing about person-to-person teaching.

Painting all lectures and meetings as 'broken' because one would prefer to have video for everything (that's how I understood it) is pretty hyperbolic.

Re: Laptops Are Great, But Not During a Lecture or a Meeting

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I am not sure about meetings since I do not have much experience with them. But if you do not want people to use laptops during lectures 1. Record your lectures and make them available later (course website, internal network anywhere). 2. Create PDF of your own notes and distribute them BEFORE lecture. 3. Ideally, though this is a huge amount of work, so not always possible, write down in detail the steps in your lecture like a book chapter and distibute this BEFORE lecture. Alternatively, assign a book chapter pre-reading.

In short, if you want people to pay attention to the content during the lecture, remove the incentive to take notes during the lecture.

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