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Re: The time I was turned away from China

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post #25

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Ya no fan of totalitarian policy, but if you try to skirt immigration laws anywhere, it won't work out well for you. Here in the U.S., I have to notify ICE everytime I change my address.], or I would be deported. Never had the courage to test them...

You have to notify the USCIS, not ICE.

Yep my bad. Should be USCIS

Re: The time I was turned away from China

#102
post #3

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The US is just weird, only country i know of that doesn't allow transit. Anywhere else you get off your plane, pass thru security and get back on your outgoing flight. The US seems too cheap to build outgoing immigration booths, and therefore doesn't have real international departure terminals like anywhere else on the planet. I means you can't transit the US without getting a visa

> The US seems too cheap to build outgoing immigration booths Alternately, it's none of the US government's business when people leave the country. It's always struck me as really weird that other countries make you effectively ask for permission to leave...

Then why do you bother people who overstay their visas? And people who don't but because you don't stamp their passports when they leave can't prove they acted legally when the INS screws up?

Re: The time I was turned away from China

#103
post #85
post #42

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That's a terrible point of view. Who is he supposed to ask these questions that would be absolutely ridiculous to ask in any developed country? Heck, I can't think of any country in the world where staying at AirBNB would be an issue, and why shouldn't he be paranoid when they so easily could pull up info about when/where he stayed there.. Does the airport security also have a list of Chinese girls the visiting forei…

I'm sorry, but I fail to see your point. This does not have anything to do with his sexual relationships so I am unsure of why you are making that analogy. It is completely usual to have to declare your place of residence to an immigration officer upon entry to a foreign country, wherever you are visiting. If you are suspected of wrongdoing, expect calls to be made and questions to be asked. It is entirely the travel…

So whenever you visit a country then you spend several months reading up on all their local laws? Do they even have an official English version, or do you hire a translator? Here's a question for you, what's the Chinese law regarding the use of a VPN/proxy? Does the law differ based on when/where you used the VPN and what it was used for?

The sexual relationships is relevant because foreigners in China have a reputation of sleeping with a lot of girls, and this leads to a lot of resentment from many of the Chinese. If they at the airport can so easily see when/where a foreigner stayed at an AirBNB, then you have to wonder what other info these people, as well as the embassy people approving VISAs, can see. They do not need to give a reason for denying entry, so it seems it's only a matter of time before they're provided with even more private info that will most definitely be used against foreigners.

Re: The time I was turned away from China

#104
post #42

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That's a terrible point of view. Who is he supposed to ask these questions that would be absolutely ridiculous to ask in any developed country? Heck, I can't think of any country in the world where staying at AirBNB would be an issue, and why shouldn't he be paranoid when they so easily could pull up info about when/where he stayed there.. Does the airport security also have a list of Chinese girls the visiting forei…

The only terrible point of view I see is yours. Claiming to be morally superior because you view the law is not to your advantage. The rules are there for a country to keep track visitors. They exist elsewhere as well.

Most people rely on common sense when they travel - don't do drugs, don't steal, don't engage in physical fights, etc. And in my eyes, that's the only way. Are you saying you read the millions of laws of the country whenever you travel somewhere? Laws that may not even be available in English.

Tell me, which countries have you visited throughout your life, and what does the law state regarding staying at an AirBNB residence at each of these countries? Would be great if you could provide official source as well, I mean it sounds like it's very easy for you to look it up, so I assume you don't mind. If you don't want to reveal your travel history, then you can use this list: Germany, France, Iceland, Ukraine, Vietnam, Thailand, South Korea, Cambodia, Japan.

Re: The time I was turned away from China

#105
post #18

So how did he get busted?

Considering it took them so little time to look up this private info, that they in my opinion shouldn't even have access to in the first place, then I think a more interesting question is whether they also have access to your chat history on weixin/qq/momo/etc, and if they can see the names of the girls you checked into a hotel with. They probably also have detailed info about whenever a foreigner visited a red light shop.. how long until that info will be used to deny foreigners entry, or land them in jail.. what a shithole..

Re: The time I was turned away from China

#106
post #91
post #60

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Which law from which book? To quote from TFA > The immigration officers explained to me that a new law that had come into effect in recent months meant I was unable to exercise the longer transit visa. My previous visits were not subject to that, I was told. The officials denied my request for details about this new law. Most of the Chinese "law" are not lawfully legislated and are selectively enforced TBH. Looks lik…

The law, that as the top comment to the article points out, is on the back of the immigration card in English that you fill out when you enter.

I assume you're referring to this (http://www.joutrip.com/easyworks/data/gallery/china-departur...)? I see no mention of having to inform the police (or whoever you're supposed to inform) if you decide to spend a night at AirBNB..

Re: The time I was turned away from China

#107

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> The US seems too cheap to build outgoing immigration booths Alternately, it's none of the US government's business when people leave the country. It's always struck me as really weird that other countries make you effectively ask for permission to leave...

Then why do you bother people who overstay their visas? And people who don't but because you don't stamp their passports when they leave can't prove they acted legally when the INS screws up?

For people on a temporary visa, I guess exit passport control can make sense. For people holding the country's passport, it just doesn't.

As far as that goes, I've had my passport not be stamped plenty of times on leaving countries that _do_ have exit passport control (e.g. France), so the problem you describe is present even there.

Re: The time I was turned away from China

#108
post #91

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The law, that as the top comment to the article points out, is on the back of the immigration card in English that you fill out when you enter.

I assume you're referring to this ( http://www.joutrip.com/easyworks/data/gallery/china-departur... )? I see no mention of having to inform the police (or whoever you're supposed to inform) if you decide to spend a night at AirBNB..

It's #1.

Re: The time I was turned away from China

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"Most if not all the things we have to do, as foreigners, Japanese also have to do it." Chinese also have to register at the local police station when they move. It's not just for foreigners.

in Japan you do not have to register if you are just visiting somewhere

Right, but my point wasn't that the requirements are the same. I was pointing out that the parent statement "Most if not all the things we have to do, as foreigners, Japanese also have to do it." applies to China, too.

The 'registration at local police station' was just an example of one such policy.

Re: The time I was turned away from China

#110
post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume you're referring to this ( http://www.joutrip.com/easyworks/data/gallery/china-departur... )? I see no mention of having to inform the police (or whoever you're supposed to inform) if you decide to spend a night at AirBNB..

It's #1.

Huh, I always read it as entry to the country, not entry to the apartment. Especially considering in #2 entry seem to refer to country. And entry is a really strange choice of word to use when referring to checking in to an apartment.
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