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Re: Ask HN: Do you design your own website?

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I'm an engineer, but I design my own. I'm not a great designer, but most importantly, it's usable. I mainly stay away from too many fancy things, and stick with a general color palette, the right font, and most importantly, spacing and vertical rhythm. I suggest you take a look at a book called design for non-designers by robin williams (not the actor). And this post has really helped me. http://www.betaversion.org/~…

FWIW I think people over design their websites sometimes. Too many shitty looking websites do too well for me to worry about every little detail on my page.

Re: Ask HN: Do you design your own website?

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I'm comfortable with CSS and HTML but I'm not very good working from a blank slate so I tend to grab a plain HTML theme from ThemeForest ( http://themeforest.net ) and then modify it myself (usually: recoding it to use Blueprint, removing excess elements etc, changing some styles). I find their themes to be generally of good quality and amenable to such modification.

Blueprint CSS is really good. I have saved to much time using a CSS framework rather than coding all the CSS myself.

Re: Ask HN: Do you design your own website?

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Well first off, CSS and design are related by they are not the same thing. You could be the best CSS guru out there, and still not know how to design. Don't believe what 37 Signals say, if you skip the Photoshop step in the design process then you will end up with crappy looking designs, and most likely, badly functioning ones as well. If you do hire a designer you should know that there are really two different clas…

If your website is more like an application, think of gmail, then a framework like cappuccino (http://cappuccino.org/) come with pretty good design defaults. And no css/photoshop skills required. It will require learning obctive-j and a couple of cocoa though.

Re: Ask HN: Do you design your own website?

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I agree with most of your points, except that you can't skip photoshop. Depending on your skill levels in various tools, it might be way better to simply start into html + css. I know a couple designer/developers who can go from an idea to visuals dramatically faster in code than they could using photoshop (myself included). Additionally, you get the advantage of being able to style simply effects in right away (ie,…

Sure, if you don't know Photoshop very well then you could code it faster. Except you will end up with sloppier code and a weaker design. It is the equivalent of building a house without blueprints. You can do it, but if you take the time to plan things out before you break ground you will end up with a stronger product. Now, if you already have a design style locked down and code you can just puzzle together then su…

I understand your general gist... but I find sketching the design by pencil and paper much faster than photoshop - obviously I don't get pixel perfect results, but the intricacies of CSS mean that it's difficult to match a photoshop design pixel-by-pixel anyway. I agree that it's much better to have a visual plan in place first, but photoshop would definitely slow me down, and I've designed dozens of web sites.

Re: Ask HN: Do you design your own website?

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post #26

I'm an engineer, but I design my own. I'm not a great designer, but most importantly, it's usable. I mainly stay away from too many fancy things, and stick with a general color palette, the right font, and most importantly, spacing and vertical rhythm. I suggest you take a look at a book called design for non-designers by robin williams (not the actor). And this post has really helped me. http://www.betaversion.org/~…

I think i should do the same thing. I always try to make fancy web 2.0 buttons, but they usually turn out ugly which is really discouraging.

Re: Ask HN: Do you design your own website?

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We've done both. For our corporate site, we designed it and for our product site, we went to an outside designer. We're getting ready to redesign our corporate site again, and I think this time we'll definitely look to outside help.

The reason isn't that we can't handle it (we're a web design and development firm), but because there are several immediate, key advantages gained by going with an outsider:

1. It doesn't come second to other client/product work. When doing the site for ourselves, it takes 3x as long, because we'll push it off when a new client project comes in or we need to make enhancements to our product. By hiring someone we avoid this conflict.

2. It's important to get an outside perspective. We're so ingrained in the day to day that we can lose site of how to present ourselves to our customers. Things that may seem really important to us may not matter at all to people shopping for web dev. A good designer is able to look past our subjectiveness and come up with a design that meets our consumers needs.

3. You care more when you're paying someone. When we do it ourselves, we often say "well, that's good enough for now, we can tighten it up later" -- later almost never comes. When you're paying someone $5,000 out of your pocket, you'll make sure they hit the nail on the head the first time and be more willing to critique them than your own team.

Re: Ask HN: Do you design your own website?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with most of your points, except that you can't skip photoshop. Depending on your skill levels in various tools, it might be way better to simply start into html + css. I know a couple designer/developers who can go from an idea to visuals dramatically faster in code than they could using photoshop (myself included). Additionally, you get the advantage of being able to style simply effects in right away (ie,…

Sure, if you don't know Photoshop very well then you could code it faster. Except you will end up with sloppier code and a weaker design. It is the equivalent of building a house without blueprints. You can do it, but if you take the time to plan things out before you break ground you will end up with a stronger product. Now, if you already have a design style locked down and code you can just puzzle together then su…

I think what unavoidable is saying is that photoshop, specifically, isn't a necessary step. Personally, I hate mockups in it. I try to use paper and pencil, if it needs to be formal, I use balsamiq.

I do agree that you need SOME sort of mockup, but I actually think low res mockups are more effective because people aren't distracted by the fact that an underlined link in PS doesn't quite look right.

Re: Ask HN: Do you design your own website?

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post #26

I'm an engineer, but I design my own. I'm not a great designer, but most importantly, it's usable. I mainly stay away from too many fancy things, and stick with a general color palette, the right font, and most importantly, spacing and vertical rhythm. I suggest you take a look at a book called design for non-designers by robin williams (not the actor). And this post has really helped me. http://www.betaversion.org/~…

I think i should do the same thing. I always try to make fancy web 2.0 buttons, but they usually turn out ugly which is really discouraging.

With Compass you get fancy buttons for free: http://github.com/imathis/fancy-buttons/
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