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Ask HN: Why are billionaires not giving more money away?

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Re: Ask HN: Why are billionaires not giving more money away?

#21
It's important to realize that even if they're not giving enough, they do give more in times of great inequality. Unfortunately, that's not, and will never, be able to do the job that politics and real redistribution is designed to do:

"In developing this position Walker sits squarely within the traditions of American liberalism, with its belief that promoting equality of opportunity within the current economic and political system is the best response to its failings. Everyone should have the same chance to be privileged, you might say, so that they can use their privilege to attack privilege more efficiently.

There’s some logic to this line of reasoning, but it rests on two questionable assumptions.

The first is that generating more philanthropy is effective as a route to reducing inequality. If it isn’t, then the intellectual scaffolding supporting Walker’s arguments collapses, because the problems of capitalism can never be addressed regardless of how many new philanthropists it creates. At the macro level however, societies that are most dependent on philanthropy like the USA are also the most unequal and vice versa—it’s the social democracies of Scandinavia that have the highest levels of equality and wellbeing, where the foundation sector is very small.

Tax-funded, redistributive government; people-funded, independent civil society action; and dynamic but well-regulated businesses are far more important. It was the same story in America under the New Deal and the Great Society, which kept economic inequality at much lower levels before the new gilded age began around the turn of the Millennium. In fact in the US, philanthropy has increased in line with inequality over the last 50 years, so the more you have of one, the more you have of the other. Statistically speaking, philanthropy is a symptom of inequality and not a cure."

The Privilege of being Privileged: https://www.opendemocracy.net/transformation/michael-edwards...

Re: Ask HN: Why are billionaires not giving more money away?

#22

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Peter Thiel seems to be determined to destroy society. Lmao, why do you say this? Besides being Pro-Trump (which is pretty bad), does he have an active role in any ventures that makes you think he wants to destroy society?

Not OP, but part of it is probably his (successful) attempt to shut down a journalism outlet that he had a personal beef with by bankrupting them with proxy lawsuits. Free press, no matter how much you may not like the stuff an outlet chooses to focus on, is an important part of free democracy, and when billionaires can essentially just lay siege over non-legal matters I consider it an active attempt to erode modern…

You're conveniently ignoring the part where Gawker was doing illegal things and therefore lost the lawsuit (getting a verbal smackdown from a judge in the process). Your argument only works if the lawsuits were baseless and/or frivolous.

I'm not sure how you can throw shade on Thiel -- would it be any better if media companies could freely ignore the law as long as the affected individuals lack the funds to take them to court? It's a broken system but I feel no sympathy towards Gawker or animosity towards Thiel.

Re: Ask HN: Why are billionaires not giving more money away?

#24
Probably because the people who devote their lives to charity, and the people who devote their lives to earning billions of dollars don't have a lot of overlap?

The exceptions tend to people who start businesses with a charity focus, or who retire and need something to do.

Re: Ask HN: Why are billionaires not giving more money away?

#25
Why should they? Why can't the poor help themselves? Most of us won't be poor if we only spent on the essentials. Stop buying material crap. Foster good relationship with family, neighbors and community. Community service at large and help each other. The wealthy get rich because we keep buying more of the crap they make that we don't need.

Re: Ask HN: Why are billionaires not giving more money away?

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Why should they? Why can't the poor help themselves? Most of us won't be poor if we only spent on the essentials. Stop buying material crap. Foster good relationship with family, neighbors and community. Community service at large and help each other. The wealthy get rich because we keep buying more of the crap they make that we don't need.

In India, the poor do this. They don't have enough food to eat, forget helping others. They live on less than 50c a day. They don't buy material crap. Your answer applies to the American poor, not the ones who live in third world countries.

Re: Ask HN: Why are billionaires not giving more money away?

#28

Why should they? Why can't the poor help themselves? Most of us won't be poor if we only spent on the essentials. Stop buying material crap. Foster good relationship with family, neighbors and community. Community service at large and help each other. The wealthy get rich because we keep buying more of the crap they make that we don't need.

There is one problem with your theory: There is a serious shortfall of affordable housing in the US. So a lot of Americans are having trouble affording even the basics.

Re: Ask HN: Why are billionaires not giving more money away?

#29

Why should they? Why can't the poor help themselves? Most of us won't be poor if we only spent on the essentials. Stop buying material crap. Foster good relationship with family, neighbors and community. Community service at large and help each other. The wealthy get rich because we keep buying more of the crap they make that we don't need.

Because the most marginalized in our society are so screwed. They're dealt the worst cards. It's easy to shout Randian quotes from your high tower, but when you come from impoverished backgrounds barely making ends meet, something like an unexpected parking ticket or an injury can mean going homeless.

Re: Ask HN: Why are billionaires not giving more money away?

#30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Peter Thiel seems to be determined to destroy society. Lmao, why do you say this? Besides being Pro-Trump (which is pretty bad), does he have an active role in any ventures that makes you think he wants to destroy society?

Not OP, but part of it is probably his (successful) attempt to shut down a journalism outlet that he had a personal beef with by bankrupting them with proxy lawsuits. Free press, no matter how much you may not like the stuff an outlet chooses to focus on, is an important part of free democracy, and when billionaires can essentially just lay siege over non-legal matters I consider it an active attempt to erode modern…

> his (successful) attempt to shut down a journalism outlet

I have no idea how people are able to say this with a straight face. The case was heard in a court of law and the Gawker witnesses behaved so incredibly badly during testimony (https://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/10/business/media/gawker-edi...) that the judge and jury actually awarded damages that were more than the plaintiff asked for. Now that's impressive, albeit in all the wrong ways.

Whatever Thiel's sins are, helping Bollea bring the Gawker Group to justice isn't one of them.

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