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More Than a Million Pro-Repeal Net Neutrality Comments Were Likely Faked

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Post by plandis »

brudgers wrote: post #17
everdev wrote: post #2

Just like the election, I wonder if the people behind this care if they get caught as long as they get what they want first. There doesn't seem to be much precedent for overturning laws or elections that were subject to misinformation campaigns.

[I am not a lawyer] Only Congress passes laws (statutes). The FCC is a regulatory body. It has statutory authority (delegated by Congress) to create regulations, not statutes (laws). Proposed FCC regulations have to go through a process defined by statute. Publication and comment are part of that process. Irregularities in the process may form the basis of judicial challenge. Whether what is described here constitute…

I would say it was rather irregular that my grandma, who has been dead for several years, thought net neutrality was such a burden on society that she just had to reach out past the grave to let her opinion (that happens to be verbatim the same as many others' opinions) be known.

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Post by learc83 »

will4274 wrote: post #273
learc83 wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most obvious method of attack is to steal the email server's private key. Something a state level attacker is probably capable of. There were a few other methods of attack proposed when this first came out. The most likely was the vulnerability of 1024 bit RSA that was used here. There are concerns that 1024 bit RSA may be vulnerable to well financed attackers.

Has anybody alleged that the private key was stolen or cracked? Can you cite anything at all or is this just conspiracy theory?

It's not a conspiracy theory because I'm not alleging it happened, but it is likely something that the Russian government is capable of.

Given that very real possibility, the digital signatures aren't ironclad proof, which is what the poster above was saying.

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Post by travmatt »

mindslight wrote: post #238
wfo wrote: post #225

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sure, I agree. But I don't think it's fair to say he has the consent of the governed; rather that our system does not support that notion in any meaningful way. He is using his power against the will of the people explicitly.

The entire job of contemporary elected officials is to use their power against the interests of the people, in order to enact their sponsors' agendas. The booster speeches kowtowing to non-profitable public interests are nothing but wool being pulled over our eyes.

If you think this is a contemporary problem you should read up on Ancient Rome.

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Post by mc32 »

dangrossman wrote: post #3

I got a bunch of emails from senators thanking me for contacting them this week... before I had contacted any of them. Who knows what was said in my name.

Not sure of these people's analytics and or agenda if any, but apparently lots of comments were automated and or duplicates: http://www.emprata.com/reports/fcc-restoring-internet-freedo...

I'd be interested in other people's opinions on their conclusions.

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Post by acdha »

wanderingbort wrote: post #250
acdha wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Beyond the observation that ISP customers are paying lots of money so they can use things like Netflix, I wanted to expand on a key point made by DiThi and others: Netflix gives away free servers to cache popular content near the users so the ISP doesn’t need to pay for the bandwidth to stream multiple copies of the same thing: https://openconnect.netflix.com/ My ISP (RCN) uses this and we’ve never had a slowdown usi…

> Netflix gives away free servers to cache popular content near the users so the ISP doesn’t need to pay for the bandwidth to stream multiple copies of the same thing You have to be a decently large ISP to qualify. So, this is helpful to big players BUT big players can also afford a PoP in a major hub where they can likely directly peer with Netflix. This is also a "black-box" system on your network, likely behind yo…

Agreed that it’s not a panacea but it would have worked for the companies complaining the loudest during e.g. the Cogent spat.

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Post by stretchwithme »

halflings wrote: post #293
stretchwithme wrote: post #284

How we express our opinions in a democracy needs to re-engineered. It needs to be secure and it needs to matter. Comments anybody can make and that are easily ignored are relatively useless. The powers that be aren't going to fix this. If the voters had real, direct power, the lobbyists would not. And you can't put the voters' money directly into your pocket. So we have to do it. We need to create an open-source, sec…

I would not say that something applied in California, state with the largest population, is an example of "work small before they trust it big". Are you proposing a direct democracy system where the regular election cycle for representatives is obsolete, and people directly vote on issues and/or can elect new representatives at any time?

Implementing that in California is a small challenge compared to implementing it for the US. The latter would take years and 2/3 of the states must agree, as it would mean a change to the Constitution.

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Post by stretchwithme »

halflings wrote: post #293
stretchwithme wrote: post #284

How we express our opinions in a democracy needs to re-engineered. It needs to be secure and it needs to matter. Comments anybody can make and that are easily ignored are relatively useless. The powers that be aren't going to fix this. If the voters had real, direct power, the lobbyists would not. And you can't put the voters' money directly into your pocket. So we have to do it. We need to create an open-source, sec…

I would not say that something applied in California, state with the largest population, is an example of "work small before they trust it big". Are you proposing a direct democracy system where the regular election cycle for representatives is obsolete, and people directly vote on issues and/or can elect new representatives at any time?

Yes.

This breaks down the concentration of power while still enabling people to hand off this task to a trusted delegate. Anybody that is qualified to hold office. Or it could even be a representative from the other house.

And you could change who you delegate to any time. Instead of thinking they have a mandate for 4 years, the amount of power a representative actually has would go up and down over time. He or she could be out of power overnight if the voters lose faith.

Of course, the Senate would still work the old way.

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Post by TimTheTinker »

return0 wrote: post #220
TimTheTinker wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, they’re not. Regarding ISPs creating original content, they have tried that and the quality of their stuff just couldn’t stand next to Google, Facebook, etc. I think we all know a relative who used the “install CD” that came with their 2000s-era ISP and ended up with a junk homepage & browser toolbars, and “ask Jeeves” as their default search engine.

are you implying that google or facebook create original content?

I’m implying that the quality of their apps/services makes them worth visiting on the web.

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Post by ascorbic »

keypress wrote: post #100
bufferoverflow wrote: post #86

Every social media website is dominated by people supporting net neutrality. I don't even remember seeing an opposing opinion, except from Trump's government. Maybe I'm living in some weird bubble, but it seems to me the argument is really not an argument, but an artificially created nonsense.

I'm up for net neutrality, but what do you about one or two pigs hogging the network? This quotes netflix as having 37% of traffic in N.A. http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/01/20/netflix-boasts-37-... It's like you build an autobahn for everyone, and then one monster haulage company moves in and dominates the road, and the road isn't really as useful as envisaged.

No, it's like complaining that most of the cars on the roads are Ford. It's not your problem what people are using it for. They've paid and can use it for what they want.
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