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Re: Ask HN: High functioning alcoholism – anyone?

#82
My father drank a lot. He quit after he left the army. I think he drank to suppress nightmares and he was able to quit -- without any kind of program, like AA -- once there was no threat of returning to a war zone.

I also have known people who were apparently drinking to treat some undiagnosed medical condition and drank less or quit drinking after the condition was properly treated.

I think it would help to assume you have some reason for drinking so much. Now you need to figure out why that is and try to solve the underlying problem.

I like the book "The truth about addiction and recovery" as a resource.

Best.

Re: Ask HN: High functioning alcoholism – anyone?

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You seem to have a reasonable level of self control. I'd recommend abstaining completely for a full month to gague your addiction level (e.g. if you can't make it a month your problem may be more serious) and also get a better idea how you feel, behave, sleep and perform without alcohol. From there maybe you'll be in a better position to plan how you want to treat alcohol in the future.

First read up about going cold turkey with alcohol. I think sudden withdraw can be deadly

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You are not an alcoholic in the psycho sense but more like you need to "drink" or "consume" something to keep going. This is relevant in most cultures. For example, in the middle east where Alcohol is taboo there is Shisha: http://wrpm.ca/wrpm/store/images/products/narjila-b.jpg Unlike a cigarette, you need to sit down for the full period to consume a Shisha. More like 1-2 hours break. People need a break. Westerns g…

One point of clarification. One of my favorite things about running is spending that time socializing. I just slow down my pace and chat away. It's one of my most favorite activities.

I second this. As an adult with kids, I rarely make new friends that are more than acquaintances. However, running with groups have given me more than 10 friends the last two years. These are people I've socialized with while running mile after mile. Running puts you in a mood quite like being moderately drunk.

It's also a great way to meet people who couldn't care less about what you do for a living. That's a win for me.

Re: Ask HN: High functioning alcoholism – anyone?

#86
I used to drink a lot, but I eventually came to realize that I wasnt drinking for the alcohol, I was just drinking because I wanted something to drink. I remember back in high school I'd drink soda all the time, and lots of it, which I think was for the same reasons.

I started drinking LaCroix, and its to the point where I'm going through a 12 pack every couple days. I had to start buying the generic brands to save money.

I still drink beer, wine, and whiskey, but not nearly as much as I used to. I think I've saved a lot of money this way too. I also took up running about a year ago, and that got me to stop smoking too, even though that was only like 1 or 2 cigarettes a day, and not even every day. I've been changing up my diet too, and that's had a huge impact.

Re: Ask HN: High functioning alcoholism – anyone?

#87
I was in a similar situation. I drank too much - I also brewed my own beer, so I always had a fridge full of beer that was close at hand. I'd play video games and drink a few too many beers and feel a bit cruddy in the morning, and I had no idea why other than, "I'm an adult, I can drink and play diablo if I want".

This went on for a while and was under control until it wasn't anymore. For me, I was lucky: I drank way too much and decided to try to ride my vespa scooter. I fell off and hurt myself, but I didn't hurt myself permanently and I didn't hurt anyone else. It did involve the police, and my wife getting woken up at 3am by those police, being terrified that I was dead somewhere.

In particular, this was where I decided I had to change things. I'm on a pretty strict regimen - I still can drink, but basically only one drink a night, and almost always only one drink a week (during some holidays or vacations, I can have a drink on two nights, but I strictly limit the per-night drinking). This worked for me, but I can't say it works for everyone. Nowadays (five years later), I will frequently go several weeks without drinking once, and I don't feel the urge to break the rules anymore. Honestly, at first, I was following the rules because I knew my job, freedom and marriage were on the line, but after a while I followed the rules because that was enough alcohol for me. I'm no longer as worried that I'll randomly binge when I'm traveling for business and I'm AFK on a weeknight with nothing stopping me from tying one on (always a fear, but I'm at least less tempted these days).

I also had to spend a lot of time thinking about why I was drinking in the first place. In the moment, and even shortly thereafter, I thought, "hmm, I don't know why I am doing this". In retrospect though, I was deeply unhappy with my job. It was one of those things where I had a lot of my identity tied up in doing my job (academic / professor job), and the fact that I hated it wasn't something I wanted to face.

So, to directly address some of your points, I was in a place you describe, but there was just one mistake that showed how little control I actually had, and it was only because I am incredibly lucky that I didn't end up dead, permanently injured, or in jail. And only from a distance and with some perspective did I realize that I was drinking in part because I did not want to face some personal issues that were difficult to face.

Re: Ask HN: High functioning alcoholism – anyone?

#88
I was a high functioning alcoholic, drinking a six pack of beer per weeknight (programming by day for a successful company). On weekends, I would keep an eye on the clock and wouldn’t start drinking until noon.

Looking back, I realize that I could hardly function without it. I was hiding scotch in the closet and taking occasional swigs in secret just to “get by”.

One day, I went to a new doctor for one thing and ended up leaving with a prescription for an antidepressant because of a questionnaire he asked me to fill out. The effects of the antidepressant were not subtle at all. Suddenly, I had no more need for alcohol. Cheap wine tasted bad. I could still have a drink, but I didn’t need it to function.

That was ten years ago and I’m still on antidepressants. I still drink, and sometimes to excess, but I don’t need it to function. There’s a huge difference.

I would strongly recommend a visit to a doctor or psychiatrist if you feel like you’re addicted. You may be trying to self-medicate your clinical depression.

Re: Ask HN: High functioning alcoholism – anyone?

#89
an act become an addiction if you can't function with it at all or close; can you feel calm without it even at the cost of performance ? if so you're not alcoholic. Also wine is not a strong alcohol. Those I've seen were hiding vodka in plastic water bottle at work.

Plus you have monitored your usage.. btw, is it stable or increasing ? are there peaks ?

Re: Ask HN: High functioning alcoholism – anyone?

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post #78

You seem to have a reasonable level of self control. I'd recommend abstaining completely for a full month to gague your addiction level (e.g. if you can't make it a month your problem may be more serious) and also get a better idea how you feel, behave, sleep and perform without alcohol. From there maybe you'll be in a better position to plan how you want to treat alcohol in the future.

First read up about going cold turkey with alcohol. I think sudden withdraw can be deadly

The poster already does not drink every day so, while they may have a problem, they are not alcohol dependant. The risk of withdraw is only for people who are alcohol dependant.
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