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Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by hanklazard »

catshirt wrote: post #87
hanklazard wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You’re conflating “fake news” and “political fiction.” The first is an attempt to mislead people about events that have happened , the latter is a story about the way events could happen . I’m not interested in arguing about whether objectivity is possible in news, just saying this distinction is important.

http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/donald-trump-koi-pond... https://gizmodo.com/that-viral-photo-of-president-trump-dump... an honest question, do your content police block CNN for this one article? if yes, i respect your consistency but i think CNN deserves some forgiveness. if no, why not? what is the threshold? any threshold is just A SECOND slippery slope. > The first is an attempt to mislead people about eve…

> an honest question, do your content police block CNN for this one article?

Which content police did I propose? I simply pointed out that you're conflating political fiction (eg George Orwell's 1984) with fake news (eg this story from "American News dot com": https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/facebook-google-crack...).

> http://www.cnn.com/2017/11/06/politics/donald-trump-koi-pond...

Was this video you posted from CNN fake? Was someone fabricating that or did it really happen? It's a very dumb story (and one of the reasons I don't bother with CNN), but I don't get the sense that it was fabricated.

Yes, news sources have political slants, I doubt you'll find anyone to argue with you on that one. The clickbaitization of news continues to ruin journalism, and I'd really like to reverse the trend. However, that's a different issue than the problem I pointed out with your argument.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by userbinator »

rgrieselhuber wrote: post #3

After years of being a Chrome user, I've been trying to work myself off of Google's infrastructure as much as possible. Firefox is great, but I was very disappointed to learn that they are partnering with political activists to block sites that they deem to be "fake news." Edit: makeee below posted a good source describing what Mozilla is currently doing, which appears to be limited to "researching" the problem of fa…

As I mentioned below, browsers, search engines, or social networks should not be, IMO, attempting to block or de-rank websites based on political activism, regardless of the source.

Indeed, whatever happened to "don't take sides". Couldn't an organisation stay completely neutral and only focus its efforts on the technology of accessing websites?

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by rene_bg »

frik wrote: post #158
jalopy wrote: post #155

I tried Quantum and it crushed the battery of my MacBook Air. Activity Monitor showed much more energy usage than chrome. Anyone experience the same?

There seem to be a bug with MP4 video processing it eats CPU and battery like crazy (for me both on macOS and Win7), but otherwise, the new FF is great.

You can use [1] to force YouTube videos being streamed as H.264 instead of VP8/9. This helps with the battery issue (at least on YouTube).

[1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

Drdrdrq wrote: post #143
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Firefox had a larger market share, it would be easy to make the argument for cross-browser compatibility. But when Firefox is not even 12% of Chrome's usage globally http://gs.statcounter.com/ and likely much less for your customers it's difficult to appeal to ideals

Maybe, but those 12% (didn't check the numbers, I take your word for it) are much more sensitive about such discrimination. That's IE all over again...

I'd be more sympathetic if there weren't examples of Mozilla explicitly fighting against features supported by the other vendors. The classic example is Web SQL, an immensely useful API that Mozilla fought hard against and successfully lobbied to kill off. Chrome and Safari still support it. So for a wide swath of problems, you can either use WebSQL and drop FF support or hack around with a slurry of third party libraries and inferior APIs. Should all web developers be restricted because a vendor with relatively small usage insisted on not supporting features?

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by menacingly »

knodi wrote: post #32

I wish there was a way to import passwords in to Firefox Quantum.

I did! for me it was hidden in the bookmarks menu. When I imported bookmarks from Chrome, it grabbed passwords and history as well. This would have been a blocker for me as I don't really know any password.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by userbinator »

mintplant wrote: post #49
rgrieselhuber wrote: post #3

After years of being a Chrome user, I've been trying to work myself off of Google's infrastructure as much as possible. Firefox is great, but I was very disappointed to learn that they are partnering with political activists to block sites that they deem to be "fake news." Edit: makeee below posted a good source describing what Mozilla is currently doing, which appears to be limited to "researching" the problem of fa…

I'm aware of a research project to see if reliable identification of "fake news" websites is possible, but there's no "blocking" coming to Firefox. That would violate point 5 of the Mozilla Manifesto. https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/manifesto/

That would violate point 5 of the Mozilla Manifesto.

They can interpret that however they want. For example, you can always "shape the Internet and [your] own experiences on it", including removing any blocking, adding things they remove, etc... just get the source code for Firefox and make all the changes you want.

It's all a bunch of vague marketing doublespeak anyway, with around as much power over what Mozilla does as the US constitution has on the US government.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by vim_wannabe »

rene_bg wrote: post #163
frik wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seem to be a bug with MP4 video processing it eats CPU and battery like crazy (for me both on macOS and Win7), but otherwise, the new FF is great.

You can use [1] to force YouTube videos being streamed as H.264 instead of VP8/9. This helps with the battery issue (at least on YouTube). [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/

I think browser makers (or whoever it needs to be) should offer an option to save battery over a little bit of extra bandwidth. Maybe even make it the default.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by TAForObvReasons »

eitland wrote: post #113
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If Firefox had a larger market share, it would be easy to make the argument for cross-browser compatibility. But when Firefox is not even 12% of Chrome's usage globally http://gs.statcounter.com/ and likely much less for your customers it's difficult to appeal to ideals

Oh come on. We've been pushing this since IE6 ruled. :-) Cross browser compability should be easier than ever so it should just be a matter of being a professional developer.

There are a different and arguably smaller set of warts in 2017 compared to 1999 but that doesn't mean that it's easy to reproduce the exact layout, pixel for pixel, across Firefox, Edge, Opera, UC Browser, Safari, Chrome and other browsers in use.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by frik »

rene_bg wrote: post #163
frik wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There seem to be a bug with MP4 video processing it eats CPU and battery like crazy (for me both on macOS and Win7), but otherwise, the new FF is great.

You can use [1] to force YouTube videos being streamed as H.264 instead of VP8/9. This helps with the battery issue (at least on YouTube). [1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/h264ify/

Good to know, but at least for me actually occurs with MP4 files. I tried it on my own video MP4/H.264 files - loading the video with the video tag with plain HTML5. I am sure the FF devs know about the FF57 video bug and have fixed it already in nightly build or are working on it.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by menacingly »

I bet it was 2009 since I last used firefox, other than testing for reported bugs in it. I've been using it exclusively since the Quantum launch, and I really enjoy it.

I liked the idea of having real browser diversity before, but it wasn't practical for me. Now it's practical and awesome.

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