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Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by Manishearth »

schemathings wrote: post #21

I'm a pretty heavy user of Chrome profiles .. definitely doesn't feel as well thought out in Firefox.

Firefox has about:profiles; they work much the same but don't have as good a UI.

I prefer Container Tabs, which basically let you have profiles on a per-tab basis. So you can have some green tabs, some yellow tabs, and some pink tabs, and each is effectively a separate profile cookie-wise. This is a built in feature but I recommend using https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account... since it enhances it.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by eitland »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #72
spystath wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You'd think that a technology-oriented magazine like wired would at least try to aim for cross-browser compatibility in their infrastructure. But why bother, make your CMS Chrome-only a policy and free yourself of extra testing. And it's not only wired. I've come across a lot of internal sites and intranets that are poorly tested on anything but Chrome. I know, it's not exactly the same thing as the old IE/ActiveX bu…

If Firefox had a larger market share, it would be easy to make the argument for cross-browser compatibility. But when Firefox is not even 12% of Chrome's usage globally http://gs.statcounter.com/ and likely much less for your customers it's difficult to appeal to ideals

Oh come on.

We've been pushing this since IE6 ruled. :-)

Cross browser compability should be easier than ever so it should just be a matter of being a professional developer.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by blub »

sillysaurus3 wrote: post #29
chrstphrhrt wrote: post #22

Anyone have thoughts on the opt-out telemetry default? I had to read the privacy notice they open on start to find out that telemetry was enabled by default.

My gut reaction was to be suspicious of Mozilla, but then I remembered that they're Mozilla. They're probably just trying to figure out which features are confusing for users. It's strange because we do this type of tracking in all facets of webapps, but desktop apps trigger our suspicion meter.

Mozilla ain't what it used to be: http://www.zdnet.com/article/firefox-tests-cliqz-engine-whic...

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by Tomte »

lol768 wrote: post #73
scotu wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they allow different sets of extensions (and cookie jar and so on) and they are basically segregated by window (no tabs with different profile in the same window). In the end they are different from containers in the general purpose (they are geared towards having a multi user experience more than firefox's multi identity/privacy) but chrome's take is much less frustrating to manage in my experience because you can't…

> That said I switched to firefox and this (and lack of U2F 2nd factor auth) is the only pain point so far You should be able to flip "security.webauth.u2f" depending on your release channel. If not available yet, I think it will be soon in any case.

None of the sites where I've been using U2F works.

Some/many sites are sniffing the user agent.

And as far as I have googled, there may be a bug in Mozilla's implementation (or maybe a different interpretation of the standard) that they are currently fixing.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by blub »

Manishearth wrote: post #101
sillysaurus3 wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My gut reaction was to be suspicious of Mozilla, but then I remembered that they're Mozilla. They're probably just trying to figure out which features are confusing for users. It's strange because we do this type of tracking in all facets of webapps, but desktop apps trigger our suspicion meter.

Mozilla's pretty careful about what goes into the default telemetry, too. Most of it is info that isn't very identifying (stuff like "how many cores do you have" or "how many times did this specific kind of jank occur for you") FWIW in Firefox nightly (maybe also beta?) if you flip the privacy.firstparty.isolate then the fact that websites can talk to each other is severely reduced; basically third party iframes get…

Any comments on the cliqz experiment? Sending visited URLs doesn't sound very careful.

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by Manishearth »

lol768 wrote: post #73
scotu wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

they allow different sets of extensions (and cookie jar and so on) and they are basically segregated by window (no tabs with different profile in the same window). In the end they are different from containers in the general purpose (they are geared towards having a multi user experience more than firefox's multi identity/privacy) but chrome's take is much less frustrating to manage in my experience because you can't…

> That said I switched to firefox and this (and lack of U2F 2nd factor auth) is the only pain point so far You should be able to flip "security.webauth.u2f" depending on your release channel. If not available yet, I think it will be soon in any case.

I wouldn't do that right now.

It's available, and it works for some sites (Github), but not Duo or Google or most sites.

The reason behind this isn't Firefox's fault, Google has a js u2f library that they've written that relies on implementation specific details. It's not easy for Firefox to switch over to that particular unspecced behavior, nor should it, really, so you need to wait for Google to fix it and consumers to pull it in.

Usually the effect of this is that yubikey login doesn't work on some sites, however a couple weeks ago it went to the level that GMail login didn't work at all; it would log you in and show the progress bar and get stuck there (without even throwing up a JS error)

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by mseebach »

infogulch wrote: post #39
zerocrates wrote: post #2

> I can't use the Conde Nast CMS in anything other than Chrome, so I can't switch completely. Highlight of the article tucked in at the end there.

I always wondered why they branded Chromecast with Chrome, it has almost nothing to do with a browser besides the funny gimmick where you could show a web page through it. Maybe an implementation detail. I suppose I get it now. It was originally just branding to promote a Chrome monopoly, and now it's an artificial exclusive feature. I love the idea of Chromecast but it's sad that it's still so closed off.

What does the Condé Nast CMS have to do with Chromecast (or other bits of Chrome branding strategy)?

Re: Ciao, Chrome: Firefox Quantum Is the Browser Built for 2017

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Post by drinchev »

Kudos to Mozilla for the new Firefox. I really like it!

Though I'm quite sure I won't switch from Safari, since I don't want to exercise my fans anymore. Tried Firefox Quantum and it really feels fast, but it's still on top of my "significant energy" battery list. When I think about it it would be really hard to beat a native GUI browser with something made for cross-platform, so I feel a bit desperate.

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