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VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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Re: VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

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post #7

Fantastic precedent. When your boss tells you to do something unethical and possibly illegal, you now have a great reason to say no.

And one would think the Germans would have learned that lesson.

For anyone wondering I guess briandear is referring to "The Nuremberg defence" aka "only following orders": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superior_orders

Re: VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

#32
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>You have to consider ethics in your work as an Engineer. Refusing an unethical task is your moral duty. It's easy to say, but ethics isn´t always so black and white. What about yourself. Do you drive a car? Then you are guilty of contributing to the air pollution that kills 200,000 in the US ever year, and you also endanger others' life by participating in traffic and making it more dangerous. You are also contribut…

The context was pretty clear here. This particular engineer got asked to do something he knew was unethical and he did it anyway. That is pretty black on white to me. Consumer behaviour is an entirely different thing.

I agree with you that the unethical nature of what he did was black and white. But why is consumer behavior any different?

Re: VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

#33
post #7

Fantastic precedent. When your boss tells you to do something unethical and possibly illegal, you now have a great reason to say no.

And one would think the Germans would have learned that lesson.

This has nothing to do with nationality. Everywhere and up to this day people excuse themselves that they are just doing what they were told/forced to. Snowden is sadly the rare exception, rather than the rule.

Re: VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

#35
post #14

Good. For context, air pollution kills 200,000 in the US and 40,000 in UK every year. You have to consider ethics in your work as an Engineer. Refusing an unethical task is your moral duty.

Is it even possible to attribute a death to single, specific cause like pollution? What is the median age of these deaths? How did they happen? Do certain occupations make people more vulnerable to pollution exposure?

Nobody's attributing deaths to single causes. When we say e.g. that coal plants kill N number of people per year it's not the case that someone breathed in some coal particulates and keeled over night there at the age of 20.

Rather, we know from epidemiological data that certain pollution, foods etc. shorten your life by a given amount. Let's say life expectancy is 100 years, living near a coal plant subtracts 5 years from that, and living near a nuclear plant 0. That would mean that out of 20 people living there there was 1 death equivalent a year.

Re: VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

#36
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In Germany the automotive industry is basically the last bastion of high union membership.

Not if you are working for a German automotive company in the UK ...

Yeh German companies ae known for being anti union in the UK and gaming the systemto rip on tax payers

Re: VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

#37
post #28

Let this be a lesson to all that refusing unethical Management decisions might get you fired but at least you won't go to prison.

Unfortunately I think most people will conclude that this kind of enforcement only applies to non-US companies. I guess people from the US might start worrying about travel to the EU though.

Re: VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

#38
post #12
post #7

Fantastic precedent. When your boss tells you to do something unethical and possibly illegal, you now have a great reason to say no.

... and go find a new job

Which is fine, if you have decent skills and some money put aside.

Re: VW engineer sentenced to 40-month prison term in diesel case

#40
post #28

Let this be a lesson to all that refusing unethical Management decisions might get you fired but at least you won't go to prison.

Unfortunately I think most people will conclude that this kind of enforcement only applies to non-US companies. I guess people from the US might start worrying about travel to the EU though.

I'd love for that to happen but it probably won't. US companies routinely break EU laws and get away with it.
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